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Woman receives rape threats after recording sexual harassment walking New York streets

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Scarletohello · 29/10/2014 15:32

Bloody hell!

Article and video here

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/oct/29/woman-records-10-hours-of-harassment-walking-through-new-york

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SevenZarkSeven · 04/11/2014 20:53

Yes thank you for posting it.

I broke the golden rule and read below the line for a bit and was extremely pleasantly surprised! The mods do seem to have gone to town on it though so presumably the comments that would have boosted my blood pressure were even worse than normal...!

Scarletohello · 04/11/2014 19:11

This is a good article today about all the horrid victim blaming that has gone on since the video was shown.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/womens-blog/2014/nov/04/stop-telling-women-how-to-feel-about-street-harassment

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SevenZarkSeven · 31/10/2014 12:37

I mean clearly they shouldn't have edited it why would you even do that.
But anyone who thinks this isn't behaviour carried out by all sorts of men all overthe place is either going around with their eyes shut, or is a man.

SevenZarkSeven · 31/10/2014 12:33

Haven't had a chance to watch the video but the race thing is weird as I'm sure if I did watch it I would recognise the behavior from my own life and that is done by MEN. I am sure that the vast majority of Other women would too.

I would imagine that the people who are even noticing race above the fact that it is all men, are people who have not been subjected to this behavior.

Same as women watching this won't say Oh look American men are awful, because they know it's same old (to a greater or lesser extent) all over the world. They will recognise this as standard male behavior that they have been subjected to.

YonicScrewdriver · 31/10/2014 11:35

Hi Elephants, in the context of the looks she got as well, I took Damn as shorthand for "damn, she's hot"

ElephantsNeverForgive · 31/10/2014 10:39

No mostly the subtitles said Damn, which made no sense whatsoever.
Perhaps it does if your American.

But my hearings shit and my heads in the clouds so I would have register 90 % of what she recorded and would have assumed the other 10% was aimed at some one else.

It usually is, I've done a lot of unnecessary smiling at blokes only to realise they are looking at someone else.

YonicScrewdriver · 31/10/2014 07:50

Elephants, the blokes aren't just saying "hi" in the video.

ElephantsNeverForgive · 31/10/2014 01:01

I think it's fucking stupid and a nasty narrow minded parody not worth publicising.

Even if I think the original video makes a lot of fuss about not a lot. (But I don't think every bloke who says hi, is intruding into my personal space and ruining my life. I'm the mad woman who talks to strangers)

scallopsrgreat · 31/10/2014 00:39

Thanks Xxed. I see what you mean now and I agree. Especially with what you say about white men being in the position to be able to change this yet effectively, they are not being forced to own the problem.

Having read that Slate article as well it seems the marketing agency already has form for racial inequality.

Scarletohello · 30/10/2014 21:28

This is a better article that puts it into context.

www.refinery29.com/2014/10/77065/catcalling-funny-or-die-video

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Scarletohello · 30/10/2014 21:25

Just wanted to share this. It's a film of a guy walking around NYC streets for ten hours. I think it's a parody in a good way, but tbh I'm not sure. Curious to know what other people think...

www.elephantjournal.com/2014/10/923191/

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ZombiePuffinsAreREAL · 30/10/2014 20:18

I wholeheartedly agree, however, that's what the man says, and we have no way of proving he's wrong. But, as another commentator said, if that was the case, surely they would have gone and filmed it again, in order to make the sample more representative.

I get it. Sorry if I came across tetchy, I didn't mean to at all. Typing and trying to sort out music lessons with a computer that seems to hate me. Blush

MexicanSpringtime · 30/10/2014 20:08

*"the editor said that the clips they had (and he maintains there were many) of white men harassing her had to be edited out, because they were interrupted by car horns/off shot/in some other way not usable."

Whao, just whao.

I didn't pay attention to the race element because a misogynist I know had put it on facebook and I was just so dumbstruck by his friends' comments. One actually said it was PC gone mad and another asked how he was supposed to meet women if he couldn't do this? I was gobsmacked!

PigletJohn · 30/10/2014 20:02

"the editor said that the clips they had (and he maintains there were many) of white men harassing her had to be edited out, because they were interrupted by car horns/off shot/in some other way not usable."

And this happened in all the streets where there were white men? What a staggering coincidence Hmm

Moln · 30/10/2014 20:00

Oh I do apologise for asking, I've been following the thread, obviously I missed those couple of times.

It's a crazy coincidence that every time a white man harassed her they where off shot, or if they weren't there was a car horn, might have been an idea to use subtitles in that situation. Oh wait they did.

Too many people (aka white men) are focusing on the racial aspect of the men because of this editing,

TheXxed · 30/10/2014 19:48

All of them bar one really?

ZombiePuffinsAreREAL · 30/10/2014 19:47

As said (a couple of times) above, the editor said that the clips they had (and he maintains there were many) of white men harassing her had to be edited out, because they were interrupted by car horns/off shot/in some other way not usable.

And poster, really? Which of the 2 men who walk beside her for a while did you think was most creepy, the one who constantly asked for her number or the one who said nothing, but grinned a lot?

Moln · 30/10/2014 19:40

Why did they edit out the harassment from white men? Surely that just allows white men to belittle it all and pass it off as a racial thing that they are innocent of.

I showed my DH the video (and he's usually good a pointing out sexism and misogynistic behaviour) and even he said some of the men where just saying hello, and I asked he how many times today someone had said hello to him as he passed them (on a busy street) he admitted none, and then I asked him when someone passes him and does say hello do they look at his body.

TheXxed · 30/10/2014 19:40

happy I am not sure you have understood my post. By editing out white men and only focusing on Black/Latino men the conversation is going to steered around the behaviour of Black/Latino men and not Men's behaviour in general.

The video possibly unintentionally (though I doubt it) exonerates white men from examining their own behaviour. Who are more likely to be in positions of power and can therefore affect positive change.

theposterformallyknownas · 30/10/2014 19:39

This is doing the fb rounds and I don't get it either.
The only one to me who was out of order was the creepy guy walking alongside her.
What is wrong with somebody speaking to you?

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 30/10/2014 19:33

By making it about race (which it isn't, although I do reckon more females from racial minorities get targeted) then you take away from the gendered aspect of the abuse

ZombiePuffinsAreREAL · 30/10/2014 19:27

The problem might be that, in cutting clips of white men doing it, they might also have cut the clips which featured predominantly white parts of town, or areas of town where you would find more white men on the street.

TheXxed · 30/10/2014 19:23

Did you actually read what I had posted?

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 30/10/2014 19:21

Class

HappyHalloweenMotherFucker · 30/10/2014 19:20

The agenda I am suspicious of is that seeking to minimise the sexual objectification of women as a clsss