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Now the term FGM is cissexist? WTAF?

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NormaStanleyFletcher · 28/10/2014 21:30

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By the very brilliant Louise Pennington.

How can they try to erase the lived experience of violence against women by banning a discriptive term for what is actually happening?

"It is not “cissexist” to talk about the biological reality of women’s bodies and the damage done to them within a capitalist-patriarchy. Frankly, even the suggestion that it is “cissexist” demonstrates a fundamental inability to actually understand the reality of lives of women and girls in our world."

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ZombiePuffinsAreREAL · 30/10/2014 12:38

Momagain, your friend was treated terribly, and I am sorry for it. However, and this is going to seem pedantic, but it isn't meant to. GG only started in August this year and I've not seen a single case of that happening in relation to GG. And sadly, I have seen more on GG than I really should have bothered with. Do you have any evidence that GGers, who are dismissing male allies of the 3/4 women who they want to destroy as SJW manginas have been doxxed in this way, because I haven't, I have however seen endlessly long transcripts and screencaps of conversations between GGers who are information sharing about doxxing women. If you do, I'd be interested to see it.

AsAMan · 30/10/2014 12:37

I like that he also tells them they are doing feminism wrong. Fucking awesome.

Women's colleges again the history in America is that they were there because women were not able to go to universities with men. We have the "privilege" of all women colleges because we were exluded. No one is excluding transwomen from universities for everybody. or even that university

AsAMan · 30/10/2014 12:34

It's the women "whooing" in the back ground that just really makes me want to cry

AsAMan · 30/10/2014 12:32

That video. The bravest woman he knows is a man. No surprises there, he clearly doesn't know what women actually go through.

heartisaspade · 30/10/2014 12:25

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MyEmpireOfDirt · 30/10/2014 12:17

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AsAMan · 30/10/2014 12:13

TBF how many transacticivst are there really? It's all the "I'm such a fucking right on, liberal, pole dancing, porn watching, loves a spanking choice" feminists and popular feminist media that are even giving this any time that is a problem. If collectively we all said "come on now, this is all just a bit silly" we'd have no issues.

Zazzles007 · 30/10/2014 12:08

I think I am a cat. I have always felt like a cat. I don't like being in the rain, just like a cat. I think I will have fur realignment surgery so that I can be more like the real cat-like me. Grin

AsAMan · 30/10/2014 12:07

MEOFD I have said that to TA online before. They don't feel the analogy works because trans people are the oppressed and we are the oppressor. Hmm

Women oppress them

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AsAMan · 30/10/2014 11:59

They don't care for the very real experiences of young girls and women (or anybody else for that matter) in this world, everything in their head revolves around them and their mental health issues and they want everyone else solely focused on them, by law if necessary. It's called egocentricity and it's an increasingly common disease amongst spoilt westerners.

I think it also comes from a very peculiar idea of being a woman. They talk about the first time they tried on make up secretly and tried on their mum's clothes. Because they see this stereotypical idea of gender as being what a woman really is. SO that most women don't find those things "super special" or even relevant is erasing who they are.

I was raised to be ashamed of sitting with my legs open, to think I was weak (even though I was bigger and stronger than most of the boys my age), to be afraid, to ignore sexual harassment as boys being boys. That's what being a young girl really is in most cases.

I wonder if you have men in Muslim countries fetishising how "lucky" young girls are for getting to wear burkas and not leave the house. I think it's why they hate radfems and "butch" lesbians so much. They don't tend to perform femininity so ironically I don't TA see them as real women.

MyEmpireOfDirt · 30/10/2014 11:51

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grimbletart · 30/10/2014 11:50

Fascinating, the supreme irony of TAs. They jump up and down demanding to be female yet exhibit zero of the stereotypical gendered female qualities of care, nurturing and compassion and ring the bell when it comes to the stereotypical MRA qualities of arrogance, superiority and entitlement.

It's a mad mad mad world, as the old film said.

And people are taking this shit seriously?

Momagain1 · 30/10/2014 11:44

I'm struck by the similarity to the tactics used by 'gamergate' supporters. Releasing personal details, rape threats, threats on women's families. Do these things happen to men?

ZombiePuffins says nope, but the truth is: yes. i have known men who were doxxed (details released) and had their families (wives and daughters in particular, of course) threatened and/or swatted (report to the local police for something live peadophilia or drug dealing, or both. Whatever it takes to get a visit from the SWAT team, who bang down the door and actually ask questions later.).

The cases I know of are a bit aged, dating to when the practices took hold in the gamer community. The one I know most about was swatted about a decade ago, his marriage has since marriage broken up (the swat didnt cause it, but the trauma and aftermath didnt help) and his ex has used the peadophilia based swat against him in child custody hearings. So the damage is ongoing, and his current girlfriend has been drawn in as her home has to be inspected by social worker to meet the courts approval for his son to visit. (This is in California, before anyone questions any of this as not how things would be done here.)

Rollontome · 30/10/2014 11:42

They don't care for the very real experiences of young girls and women (or anybody else for that matter) in this world, everything in their head revolves around them and their mental health issues and they want everyone else solely focused on them, by law if necessary. It's called egocentricity and it's an increasingly common disease amongst spoilt westerners.

They need to be sent to an impoverished country or refugee camp to live until the reality of other people shocks them into pulling their heads out of their arse.

They should not be allowed to hijack women's rights, it is incredibly offensive and sexist for them to do so.

Anyone who wants to shut down campaigns and activism that help little girls who are held down while their clitoris is hacked off with no pain relief is a despicable excuse for a human being. Trans activists need to learn what they should have been taught in toddlerdom - everything is not about them. That is the root of their issues.

MrsJuice · 30/10/2014 10:49

This complete fucking nonsense.
Men are not necessarily men, woman are not necessarily men. Gender is a social construct - therefore any gender categorization is essentially utterly pointless.
However, it is being used as a stick to beat young people, with no voices of their own, into submission. This is being done purely to acknowledge the lack of clarity between categories, which have been established as socially constructed nonsense?

Thumbscrewswitch · 30/10/2014 10:48

There you go - just proves what I said a bit upthread - we're at the bottom of the pile again.

ARE any Transactivists transmen, does anyone know?

AsAMan · 30/10/2014 10:45

I suppose another thing is that default is male and women is other. Hence many things have the word women's appended to differentiate from the normal men's which has no prefix.

I don't know if that's where you are going, but I feel like the whole transwomen thing is basically "I don't feel like a man, therfore I must eb a woman. Because what women are is "not men"."

That's how someone who has never been a woman can claim to feel like a woman (despite not having a clue how it feels) because really they just don't feel male.

FloraFox · 30/10/2014 10:43

To be clear, I said TA but it was a female ally, not a TW who said that. Even more shocking though that women are willing to put themselves last to the extent they will deny the very existence of women so as to avoid hurting the feelings of some men. Or maybe not that shocking.

Zazzles007 · 30/10/2014 10:42

Freudian slip Seven Grin

SevenZarkSeven · 30/10/2014 10:41

Continues uninterfered with

Fgs

SevenZarkSeven · 30/10/2014 10:40

Men's stiff lol sorry men's stuff

SevenZarkSeven · 30/10/2014 10:37

I suppose another thing is that default is male and women is other. Hence many things have the word women's appended to differentiate from the normal men's which has no prefix.

So if you can't use the word women, this affects all this stuff which women have taken so long to be allowed to do in many cases. The men's stiff needs no introduction or prefix and so continued interfered with.

Don't know if that makes sense.

BellaSolanum · 30/10/2014 10:35

On another thread a few months ago, a TA told me there was literally no need for a word to describe that group of people born with XX chromosomes with egg producing reproductive organs who may actually or potentially give birth to children because it simply wasn't necessary.

Wow. Does show just how importnat they think born women are, we don't even merit our own descriptor. Men and trans people do of course, just not women.