Not All Porn: Why the good parts don't matter

and Thank you AskBasil its a brilliant article, well written with a REALLY clear argument. The utilitarian logic that says "well its only a few women" or a bit of violence, but it's balanced by far more happy fluffy stuff, is just wrong thinking.

"so that all men and most women can have free speech, we will overlook the fact that there is a minority of women that won't have that same respect ( or is that privilege)" err, how do you choose which women? "oooh no we couldn't do that" but because the vagaries of the free market choose for us, it must be fair!

Oh I should also add, that even if you search "for the kind of porn you like" you will still be directed to the sites in the same way. So that if you go to the front page...it follows that what you read is...

Claire sorry, but I am also of the opinion that you have not read the whole article. You are focussing on one very specific part of his argument. So lets start with your argument about his proposition that
"This is porn that exists, right now – and statistically, it’s what most men are watching"

He says "Go the front page of a porn site and just read the titles" He doesn't say "Go search for the kind of porn you like"

So, it still stands that if you go to the front page of a porn site the titles will be as he suggests "hate speech" (I can't be bothered to go into what is and what isn't hate speech)

How does it then follow that this is the porn that most men are watching? Well, the top sites come up in the top of the search do they not? The complexity of the algorithms that search engines use, ensures that those sites that are most popular, bring in the most income are also the sites that can afford to pay for hours to have web designers ensure they come top in the rankings and get displayed first. If you look at the front page of these sites you can only agree with him, the titles represent the acts, the titles are hate speech, so what follows is a manifestation of men hating women. It really isn't difficult.

Loving the "commentators on CiF = serious pro feminist thought" idea.

Shows such a deep and thorough understanding of the issues. Such knowledge of that audience. And the level to which pro porn women sink in defence of their need to watch other women being hurt, harmed, abused and degraded.

Lol it's only possible for one woman at a time to have Julie bindel's views. Anyone who agrees with her must BE her

Hang on, Claire... Are you saying people commenting on a guardian article written by a feminist disagree with her?

Well, dang, that just never happens regularly...

I mentioned Julie Bindel last night as she wrote a piece in the Guardian which pretty much shares the majority of views on here. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/24/pornography-world-anti-porn-feminist-censorship-misogyny. Good to see the commentators don't agree with her.

Very interesting article.

Which part of a porn clip could be considered "speech" anyway? Is it the misogynist viewpoint of the pornographers shown through actual brutality towards an actual woman that is the speech that needs to be protected?

Ah, so being able to watch the degradation of of women is freedom of speech now. Who's I wonder? The women being exploited or the wo/man commenting here?

Yeah Buffy i did read the whole article. No need to be condescending, or is that your usual style? You are not Julie Bindel are you? I have heard that she posts on these forums? If you really want to see what people are viewing then maybe go to a web traffic counter and see actual stats. Yeah they are not that accurate but they provide a far better method than the one you are trying to deploy. I hadn't even noticed the gamergate thread. I just popped in here to see what the latest anti freedom of speech/ censorship campaign was this time!

I couldn't remember where I'd seen the name before, thanks Briar.

I suspect "claire" just got lured into posting on FWR again because of the gamergate thread. Perhaps there is some klaxon sound when someone posts about games here.

So basically, you have nothing to add, but are happy for women to be degraded for your titillation.

You didn't answer Buffy's question, that's for sure.

porn as it stands and the porn industry harm women. either you care about that or you don't

They are exclusive of each other Buffy.

I hardly think googling porn is a very scientific way of knowing what the most popular sites are. I think People are far more specific than that. Its like googling the word music when you want look at your favourite band. Also i thought google tailored its searches based on your personal history? And also puts up the sponsored links first. So its not going to be the same for everyone or going to be even slightly accurate.