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Female body hair / husband- help?

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wishfulthinking1 · 19/10/2014 20:08

Since the birth of my son I've considered feminist issues much more deeply- particularly inspired by 'hair:not the musical', I've begun considering hair removal as a choice- and have chosen not to at the the moment.

My lovely husband (and he really is lovely) is struggling with this- says he doesn't find it attractive / is embarrassed when we go swimming etc- he doesn't mean to be ignorant, but he's really struggling with it.

I'm trying to find something for him to read that could help him get his head around it. Most internet searches come up with articles along the lines of 'eww, gross, if your partner loved you, she'd shave blah blah'.

Does anyone have any advice?
Thanks

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Milmingebag · 20/10/2014 20:02

There are loads of women who can't be arsed to do more have a wash in terms of grooming.

You decide as a woman what you want to do with your body. I don't believe for a second that women are sheep who follow societal rules blindly.

Some women are very focused on their external selves and others more so on their internal selves. If you are making choices in your life that make you comfortable and happy than it is of nobody else's concern as long as you do no harm to others.

wishfulthinking1 · 20/10/2014 20:01

Thanks for your replies.
I'm sorry if I'm coming across as hopeless
I'm not deliberately being hairy to 'make a point'- I just really don't want my son to think that women have to do something that men don't have to.

These queries are relatively new to me so I'm trying to make sense of them to myself. Perhaps it'll just take time to accept this 'new me'.

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BlueberryWafer · 20/10/2014 20:00

Let me get this straight.. You're complaining it's sexist to expect women to shave their pubic hair, yet you claim the reason men shave theirs is to make their cocks look bigger..? So it's ok to be sexist against men, just not against women?!

Mitchy1nge · 20/10/2014 19:58

men increasingly do wax or shave their pubes, I think they think it will make their cocks look bigger? I was a bit startled the first time I saw a set of tackle in that state

I expect men to have a trim at least, in a sort of newly dating scenario, don't know about husbands but it doesn't seem right to expect your partner to do more hair removal than you unless they are much much hairier than you and you are allergic to it?

BlueberryWafer · 20/10/2014 19:54

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BlueberryWafer · 20/10/2014 19:54

I wonder if some men would like to shave but think it wouldn't be thought of as "manly" enough...

Milmingebag · 20/10/2014 19:51

I wonder what the proportion is of men who would like to remove their body hair but feel societal pressure not to as it's 'not masculine'?

TunipTheUnconquerable · 20/10/2014 19:51

If women were removing their pubic hair solely because they like it that way there wouldn't be all these angsty threads about 'do I need to shave before childbirth?' 'Do I need to wax before a smear?' etc.

Mitchy1nge · 20/10/2014 19:48

well it's impressive that anyone has the energy to argue that there is anything natural about one sex being held to ridiculously high standards of grooming while the other, the one that is ordinarily the ornamental sex in most other parts of the animal kingdom, just has to have a wash Grin

PumpkinGordino · 20/10/2014 19:46

it doesn't matter what purpose body hair serves now

the fact is that a huge proportion of women in the western world remove their body hair, and a huge proportion of men don't. and there is no good reason for this situation beyond socialisation

Mitchy1nge · 20/10/2014 19:44

well there is evidence that removing your pubes increases your chances of certain STIs anyway so they are good for something

Milmingebag · 20/10/2014 19:44

Luxuriant even.

RightyTightyLeftyLoosey · 20/10/2014 19:44

All behaviour beyond basic survival is conditioned. There is no reason whatsoever for women to feel embarrassed by their body hair. The only reason they do feel embarrassed, liks the OP, is because society tells them hairy legs ard unacceptable ln women (but fine on men). If it was a genuine choice lots of women would have hairy legs. As it is, very few women don't shave.

^^ this in spades.

Where do all these ideas of hair removal come from then fakebook??
Porn and hair removal is a really good example of the way that these ideas are foisted upon women under the banner of supposed choice.
I mean I used to shave because I thought it was the done thing and expected of me, then I started to question why and how we have got the point where looking pre-pubescent is considered desirable for adult women and could only come up with one answer.

I don't believe hair removal of the type done today would ever have become common if women had had completely free rein over their appearance with no input from men at all.

HaroldsBishop · 20/10/2014 19:43

How can you blame society for a woman wanting to remove her bodily hair? In the animal kingdom, often the females pluck their own hair/feathers to make nests. How do you know that the real reason for a woman wanting to remove body hair isn't because it's an animal instinct?

You'd have to go a LONG way up our evolutionary tree to find an ancestor that made nests, if there is one at all. Plus removing body hair has only become "the norm" in the last few decades.

BlueberryWafer · 20/10/2014 19:42

There is no proven reason that pubic hair actually serves a purpose. There are a few theories, none of which have much substance. No proof whatsoever that it serves a purpose.

PumpkinGordino · 20/10/2014 19:42

mitchy that was on the museum of curiosity on R4 the other day. in the NL the natural history museum called for people to send in pubic lice because apparently the incidence of them has decreased due to more people removing pubic hair

Milmingebag · 20/10/2014 19:41

I wouldn't personally mess with my luxuriate bush though. I think a hairy minge feels nice and looks great.

Mitchy1nge · 20/10/2014 19:37

pube removal is unhealthy, doesn't it increase your risk of STIs?

not pubic lice though, they must mourn the deforestation of their natural habitat

cailindana · 20/10/2014 19:35

Again, just plain wrong waffle. Why do you think we have thick pubic hair but relatively thin hair everywhere else? It's not there by accident, it serves a purpose just like our skin and eyelashes and removing it is a bad idea.

Milmingebag · 20/10/2014 19:34

I grew all my body hair. It wasn't on display because of the clothing I choose to wear ( so societal pressure not a factor). I just didn't like how it looked on my body -much like how I don't like how blonde/ long hair/long nails/ high heels look.Purely personal choice. I have no problem with seeing body hair anyone.

Surely being inhibited/ feeling uncomfortable about any aspect of your body that you are at liberty to change and doing nothing isn't actually feminist in essence? The focus on woman as object is still a factor here, probably more so if you are using your body to make a statement about something that really doesn't matter and most people couldn't give a rat's arse about.

There are far more important things to focus on with respect to women's rights than choices over body hair. Just my two cents!

cailindana · 20/10/2014 19:32

Fakebook it's really odd to go on a discussion and say "I have a mad theory with no backup therefore all your well researched ideas are wrong." Would you go on a discussion about racism and do the same thing?

BlueberryWafer · 20/10/2014 19:29

"It isn't healthy"

Rubbish. When removed properly, there is nothing unhealthy about it. I like the feeling of being shaven down there - nothing to do with porn and nothing to do with my desire to please anyone else. Perfectly healthy when done properly. If you shave or wax incorrectly then yes there is a chance of inflamed hair follicles which collect bacteria. But when done properly there is nothing unhealthy about it.

PumpkinGordino · 20/10/2014 19:28

head hair (note this is crochet from what i can tell, not knitting)

PumpkinGordino · 20/10/2014 19:24

some people spin and knit with their pets' hair?

MarianneSolong · 20/10/2014 19:23

Feathering your nest. Nest building. Nest eggs... (The mind boggles)

Victorians used to make jewellery out of hair.

So what are people actually doing in the 21st centuary - apart from nest making - with their naturally/instinctively removed pubes, arm and leg hair etc.

Forget about penis beakers. It's pube pot time!