Why can't we have a 'Stand up to violence against women night'?

Ooh. A virtual march!

Thanks for the link, Boulevard.

A thread about violence towards women being derailed what a surprise never seen that before

Sounds like what is happening in New Zealand is far more progressive than our society is prepared to be whenever DV against women is mentioned it has to follow with DVD towards men and as balls posted NAMALT

For just a few high profile people to be brave enough to say 2 women are being killed a week thousands suffering violence (the impact on children will always come into this) this is what we are talking about

Oh sorry cadno I was saying thanks in reference to your post @ 9:15 I thought you were answering my question.

My 'as a man' post was in reference to uberquiz at 9:20

I know, there's only so much mansplaining I can take before I've finished my first coffee.

Here's the UK white ribbon website:

www.whiteribboncampaign.co.uk/

Good to see they're covering psychological abuse as well, seen so many women on here treated absolutely hideously, but feeling they can't leave because he hasn't hit them.

I am going to quote one of your own posts in another part of MN, as unnsavory as that might be. You have said of the posters in FWR:

"I'm frankly quite upset at the attitude of some of the women on here.

I visited some of the feminist sections and wow! Misandry galore. We are always being told feminism is about the progression of equality. But all I've seen seen so far is hateful stereotyping and over offensive cliches about certain sections of the male gender."

A response to you from a longtime male poster on MN was to point out the inequalities that women on the whole suffer, which are relatively far, far, far larger than the ones men suffer. And yet you come here and spout your views as if they are going to 'help' those who are living this sufferance on a daily basis. Why you take such umbrage at the the things that are said about men, especially if you don't self-identify as an MRA? Why do you need to come into a discussion about men's violence against women and make this all about you? Is there something lacking in your life and your self-esteem that doesn't allow you to separate your own identity from that of the types of men being discussed in this thread? You may not self-identify as an MRA, but you sure have all the hallmarks of one.

Alpaca

No problem at all - I'll start doing just that (certainly if I post more on this thread). I suppose it might help to preface each and every post with an identifier, so that new comers will be able to distinguish. As the tesco ads says "Every little helps". Cadno - As a man !

Unbelievable.

Take the time to talk to me, but be respectful, i would do the same to you

uber is literally telling us how to behave within half a dozen posts. Classic, hilarious and unsurprising.

Thank you, Scarletohello

I actually came here to show some interest as my sister was a victim of domestic violence and thought my input would be helpful. But so far the attitude I've seen is disgusting. You may disagree and think that's your right to be like that so be it. But you've done nothing to encourage me to fight your corner. In fact quite the opposite.

I can see then level of intolerance is never going to allow this conversation beyond being childish, making assumptions and making wide spread sweeping generalisations. So I think I'll leave it here.

I've heard of White Ribbon, think one of our male regulars might be involved in some way.

I'm not MRA either. The MRA are idiots as far as I'm concerned. Another stereotype.

Take the time to talk to me, but be respectful, i would do the same to you, is it to much to ask the same in return?

I read your posts; the above are fair paraphrases. If that's not how you intended them to come across, maybe you need to rephrase them.

I don't think you are here in good faith, for the reasons I have posted above, so I have no interest in "helping" you.

I'm sure you'll get over it.

We have the White Ribbon campaign where I am as well, but I am not all that familiar with what they have done.

What I have noticed is that one of the national TV stations has been broadcasting many stories in which women have been killed by their husbands/boyfriends/male partners. They take the issue seriously and treat the news story with the gravity it deserves, highlighting men's violence against women. The more we as individuals, groups, corporations, and society, speak about this the issue, the more momentum it will gain. A very good thing.

The "not all men are like that" argument is also largely invalid. Again, you've projected a stereotype onto me. Again, not helpful.

You didn't read my posts very well then did you?

I offered an alternative and objective viewpoint. If i can be enlightened and educated to see things from a different point of view them I welcome it. But so far all I've been offered is the same patronising tone you are offering me now.

Tell me, how does that help exactly?

Emma Watson.

Yes we did. There's a thread on here; surprised you didn't spot it in your trawling.

By the way, if you really want to converse with people, do you think digging through a number of old threads and posting your disagreement on each one along the lines of "feminism has gone too far" "men are objectified in porn too" "what's all this fuss about page 3?" etc is the way to do it? Or do you think picking one topic you genuinely want to discuss viewpoints on would serve you better?

The thing is, you can't ever expect to rid society of stereotypes if you keep clinging on to them. Things like men being children if they play games etc. That's just plain offensive. Everyone uses escapism from time to time. Be it through books or television of any other number of mediums.

The patronising tone you take does nothing to warm men to coming over to fight for you, if anything it does quite the opposite.

I'm guessing some of you have already formed opinions of me without even knowing me. That's a shame. Because I'm a progressive egalitarian and I have every respect for human beings regardless of race/gender/religion/sexuality.

If you want people to listen to you and take you seriously, its far more effective to stick to facts rather than projecting stereotypes which does nothing other than split opinion even further.

Did you not watch Emma Thomson's speech at the UN? You're exhibiting the exact behaviour she spoke about.

In New Zealand we have White Ribbon MONTH to raise awareness/campaign against violence against women. A lot of NZ celeb men get involved and there is a run down the main street of Wellington with a load of men all holding a long white ribbon. You see the All Blacks etc wearing the white ribbons and a lot of publicity.

I found this link that says it is an international campaign, but I don;t remember ever seeing anything about it when I lived in the UK.

whiteribbon.org.nz/