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John Grisham's twisted views

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Stressing · 16/10/2014 12:36

So fuming about John Grisham airing his twisted views on child porn. /www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/10624453/John-Grisham-child-porn-argument-wrong

Especially this part, whilst referring to his friend who had the book thrown at him apparently: "So he went there (to the site), downloaded some stuff - it was 16 year old girls who looked 30.

"He shouldn't have done it. It was stupid, but it wasn't 10-year-old boys."

WTF? So it's okay apparently to get pissed and wank off over images of young teenagers who may or may not be around the age of consent, so long as they look 30. And, more importantly, it's okay to do this so long as they are not male.

The fact that we live in a world where there is any kind of grey area surrounding child porn depresses me. How the male need to be sexually gratified is SOOOO important that it presides over the innocence and well-being of a child makes me utterly sick to my stomach.

JG has the arrogance and self importance to put the US justice system on trial due to his version of what he thinks is acceptable and not acceptable - of who is worthy of law enforcement based on age and gender.

You can bet your life that his mate didn't just view a site depicting consenting age females. He went there because he was drawn to the borderline element of the site, obviously, and probably went elsewhere - which is why he had the FBI knocking on his door.

But, according to JG, the fact he wasn't looking at boys means he wasn't really doing anything wrong.

It incenses me.

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BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:16

Also FFO - I see how you draw that conclusion over the boys thing - I just don't draw the same conclusion. I think it takes a bit of a leap of faith to make.

PuffinsAreFicticious · 16/10/2014 22:16

Quite Sabrina

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:15

How so?

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:14

remind me not to ask you to babysit

Sabrinnnnnnnna · 16/10/2014 22:14

Glen - it is a fallacy to suggest that use of the phrase child porn is some kind of endorsement.

Child porn is a misnomer, because it suggests that something consensual, something acted out. What these men are viewing is real sexual abuse of real children.

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:14

FFO - what a daft analogy!

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:14

That's exactly what he said. Is English your first language? Confused

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:13

FOF - a first time offence, and very few pictures accessed, also perhaps not paying, not having sought it out purposefully? Lots if criteria I would use to class as low level.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:13

So are you claiming that words have no meaning and it's fine to continue to use any word no matter how offensive or inaccurate?

"Nigger" would have been a word every understood for black person at certain times and places. Should they have kept the word just because it was understood?

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:12

I don't think he was saying looking a pictures of boys was in anyway different to looking at pictures of girls - it is 50/50 and he chose one.

PuffinsAreFicticious · 16/10/2014 22:11

Yes, anything which perpetuates or causes child abuse should mean a prison sentence for first time offenders.

I agree that there should be fewer people in jail. Partly to make room for those who really need to be there, such as men who rape children, men who take pictures/film men raping children and men who dowload or view pictures of children being raped.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:11

What's a low level offense when discussing child rape? Or paying others to film child rape?

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:10

Glen - it is a fallacy to suggest that use of the phrase child porn is some kind of endorsement.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:10

I know MRAs have agendas, but is defending pedophiles really on the agenda now? Surely we can all get together and say that people who want to rape kids are bad.

Is it because he doesn't approve of sexually assaulting male children you don't think it's a big deal?

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:09

Yes, I take your point there, and if someone has hard drives full of child porn then like many crimes it can be committed to degrees. I would suggest in many cases for a low level first time offence incarceration is not the answer.

I disagree - many crimes against the person don't mean automatic jail and I would argue a low level offence of the nature being discussed is less harmful.

FuckOffFerret · 16/10/2014 22:08

I just don't have a season pass for the outrage bus! As a rule I think fewer people in jail is a good thing.

As a rule I think more people who want to rape children should be in jail.

BUt that's cause I'm not an idiot or a pedophile.

Scallops - they should be where ever they like unless they are convicted of committing a crime.

They have been. HTH

glenthebattleostrich · 16/10/2014 22:08

And encouraging child abuse, yes it needs to carry a prison sentence first time.

scallopsrgreat · 16/10/2014 22:08

The media are always using language that minimises sexual crime. It makes you wonder why...

Sabrinnnnnnnna · 16/10/2014 22:06

clip clop, clip clop.

glenthebattleostrich · 16/10/2014 22:06

Just because its used by lots of people doesn't make it right. And the fact that out is in everyday use proves my point that it has been wrongly legitimosed

scallopsrgreat · 16/10/2014 22:06

And some crimes warrant jail sentences for first time offences. Perpetuating child sexual abuse is one of them.

scallopsrgreat · 16/10/2014 22:05

So this 'first time offender' will have viewed faaar more than 1 website over a period of time. Are they really a first time offender? Or is this just the first time they've been caught?

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:04

Just not a crime I think should lead to prison for a first time offence.

scallopsrgreat · 16/10/2014 22:03

Well we are talking about those that are convicted of the crime Brighton Confused.

BrightonB83 · 16/10/2014 22:03

Yes it should be a crime - I'm just not convinced of the merits of jailing a first time offender.