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Amal Alamuddin has changed her name professionally

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EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 14/10/2014 07:12

I'm actually disappointed. Her choice blah blah but honestly. Successful women who change their names professionally always strike me as either stupid or coerced and I'm sure that's unfair I'm not really but honestly why be so committed to the concept of the obliteration of the unmarried self that you allow it to impact on your professional reputation and renown?

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UptoapointLordCopper · 15/10/2014 09:15

Contact and reputation doesn't work the same way in all fields. In my field if I change my name now it would obliterate 15 years of my achievements.

LittleBearPad · 15/10/2014 09:13

Oh you were telling me. Well that makes all the difference Hmm

And I was telling you it didn't make a difference in my professional career but I must be wrong. Because you're telling me I am.

And I didn't say you see a decent contact regularly but that you'd be in contact with them. Could be via email, telephone calls, meetings etc. Not some random who added you on linked in to up their numbers.

YonicScrewdriver · 15/10/2014 09:08

And we're back to the "is this something women have to deal with but not men? Yes? Then it's probably a feminist issue" definition.

Whether the impact is minor or major for any individual woman (and given the world knows the woman formerly known as Amal Alamuddin is now Amal Clooney, I doubt there's any impact for the case in point), the fact remains that men (NAM) simply don't change their name in late 20s/early 30s and therefore have no impact from doing so,

AmberTheCat · 15/10/2014 09:02

Completely agree on the negative effect of changing your name in many professions. My professional reputation (and therefore future prospects) depends partly on the way I'm perceived inside my current company, but mainly on the way I'm perceived externally. The former wouldn't be affected much if I changed my name, but the latter certainly would.

Chunderella · 15/10/2014 08:53

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YonicScrewdriver · 15/10/2014 08:46

I'm glad it's been fine for you, LittleBear. I can well believe it varies by field and for me, and for Chunderella, and for a number of other women I know, it would matter.

LittleBearPad · 15/10/2014 08:42

Apart from the fact I am also a professional and it's really been fine.

Chunderella · 15/10/2014 08:38

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EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 15/10/2014 08:14

Hooray flamingo that's fantastic!

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PuffinsAreFicticious · 15/10/2014 07:36

All these people posting their justifications for taking their husband's surname rather than their own on marriage, and then saying that it's nobodies business but theirs obviously have an undeveloped sense of irony Grin

Alsoflamingo · 15/10/2014 07:31

Applauding Puffins and Ehric.

In fact that post about the point whizzing over your head made me laugh out loud.

Which made my 7 year old DD ask what I was laughing about.

Which led to a long discussion about the rights and wrongs of women changing their name on marriage (which I didn't so she is used to the idea).

MrsBuffyCockhead · 15/10/2014 07:10

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merrymouse · 15/10/2014 06:48

A decent contact would know you had changed your name as they'd be talking to you regularly.

It's a bit difficult to keep in contact with everybody you ever worked with in an industry on a regular basis (Well, it was before linked in etc. and even then there are limits). That doesn't mean that it isn't beneficial if they can put a face to a name when they hear of you again.

(Unless of course you were absolutely rubbish - then it can be beneficial to change your name Grin).

sesamstrasse · 15/10/2014 06:47

Me and my dh discussed which name we would use out of ours. We ended up going with his, not because he wanted to, but because I liked his name better. Although similarly to MRS CLOONEY's decision... that is none of your fucking business.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 15/10/2014 06:23

Have philosophical objections by all means but they exist equally for all women

I do, absolutely. However I was talking about a high profile, professional woman whose name is linked to their renown and reputation. I find this even more difficult to understand than why a SAHM might change her name.
As yonic illustrates above, names and professional reputation are linked. That's why most barristers don't change their name professionally, nor do actors, or academics, or many other professions. For me, it would be entirely different if she had chosen to be called mrs clooney in her personal life but kept alamuddin professionally. It just seems...subservient to do it so publicly. I don't know whether she was coerced (or bullied, or 'persuaded', or whatever word is more palatable) and she probably wasn't, but it doesn't sit right with me.

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YonicScrewdriver · 15/10/2014 00:17

Sorry for multiple post but here is how a conversation in my industry might go:

"I had coffee with Jane Smith yesterday."
"Oh yeah, she used to work at ABC, she's great, very thorough."
"Really? Good, thanks, I might have something coming up for her."

Or:
"I had coffee with Jane Jones yesterday."
"Did you? Don't think I know her.... Anyway, whaddya think of XYZ ltd?"

LittleBearPad · 15/10/2014 00:13

Their networks can't be very strong if they have to put their maiden names in brackets. A decent contact would know you had changed your name as they'd be talking to you regularly.

YonicScrewdriver · 15/10/2014 00:06

If it's bollocks, why do some women put their birth surnames in brackets on their linked in profiles?

YonicScrewdriver · 15/10/2014 00:00

"Have philosophical objections by all means but they exist equally for all women."

Yes, I agree, wasn't that clear?

YonicScrewdriver · 15/10/2014 00:00

Have you stayed at the same place of work since you were married?

LittleBearPad · 14/10/2014 23:47

Have philosophical objections by all means but they exist equally for all women.

LittleBearPad · 14/10/2014 23:44

Bollocks Yonic there are very few (any?) women for whom a name change will damage their careers.

Any emails sent to my old email address are still received by me. My contact details are the same. You seriously think that someone would say 'well she changed her name, I'm not employing her...'

YonicScrewdriver · 14/10/2014 23:39

"And if you don't believe women should change their name then you shouldn't differentiate between high profile women with successful careers and SAHM's"

It's not distinguishing on a philosophical basis; there are practical implications to a professional changing their name mid career (for whatever reason ) that are lessened for an SAHP.

TheFallenMadonna · 14/10/2014 23:29

Of course it's not a completely free choice. Any more than it's a free choice for women to choose to stay at home with the children. Or for women to work part time while their partner works full time. Etc etc.

But the people who are saying it might be responding perhaps to the coercion comment. Which is stronger than the societal norm/pressure idea.