Women and trolling

Although I do make excellent cookies. For a feminist.

then?

I can make my own cookies thank you.

Whenever the perp of a crime is female feminists all try their best to defend and make excuses for her even if she has guilty written on her forehead.

That isn't gender equality. That's just being biased in favour of females.

and a ?

The McCanns lost a child. Do they deserve this?

It's not a [sandwich] but here, . A feminist went and got you some virtual . Enjoy it.

How is tweeting a lot stalking?

Is living in shame a serious threat, like death and rape?

Look I'm genuinely sorry your mommy didn't hug you enough or make you enough sandwiches and this is how you act out. But come on, you have to at least try if you want us to engage.

Her threats may not be about sexual violence but they are still threats.

And spending years flooding the McCanns with thousands of such messages is extremely disturbing IMO and I imagine the McCanns must have found it terrifying.

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/read-the-deleted-tweets-brenda-leyland-sent-the-mccanns

She made 4,625 tweets over 4 years (surely that in itself amounts to stalking?) and threatened to make the McCanns "live in shame". That sounds like a serious threat to me.

Q ‘how long must the Mccanns suffer’ answer ‘for the rest of their miserable lives’.

It's not a nice thing to say but it's not quite the same as threatening to rape someone. Does that make sense now?

Reaction when a man commits a crime: "monster! lock him up!"

Reaction when a woman commits a crime: "why would she have done that? Maybe it was because of this, or this? There must have been a good reason for her doing that. That poor woman!"

wow @ the hypocrisy and double-standards. If the troll had been male the reaction here would be totally different.

"However, I think door stepping and publicly shaming someone in this way is wrong."

If the troll/abuser was male, would you be happy for him to be publicly shamed?

"Maybe she got carried away with the mob."

Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Maybe some of those who tweeted to Caroline or Stella also "got carried away with the mob"? If that is the case should they get let off lightly?

"I think that the media have treated this poor woman appallingly."

Perhaps because she's female the police and media should give her special treatment and leniency that men wouldn't be given?

"Is a clearer situation where you have two people filmed performing a sex act in public, say at a festival, and the man's behaviour is applauded but the woman's behaviour shamed?"

Actually if a man and woman were to go naked in public, the woman would be cheered while the man would end up in a police van and on the sex offender registry.

"There is a huge power disparity between a single individual troll working alone and SKY a multi-national corporation with huge influence who can reach literally millions of people,"

Again, if she were a he would you have posted that?

Oh no, Vivacia, I didn't mean to make you feel pushed away!

I was trying to keep in view the distinction between what you described and what the OP described - but I phrased my post really badly.

Please do post about what you want to say!

No need to lurk Vivacia, not everyone has the same opinion or views no one view or though is right or wrong. Just different.

Yeah I think on the one hand the police did react well to the Stella Creasy / Criado-Perez threats and the media did focus on them. Wasn't there even a Panorama report on misogyny in the internet? Awareness of the issue has definitely been raised.

But on the other hand women do suffer more media focus when they commit crimes traditionally carried out by men.

There is a huge power disparity between a single individual troll working alone and SKY a multi-national corporation with huge influence who can reach literally millions of people, Longtalljosie.

I think you are right, OP. When power games like this are played then women always end up the greater losers.

Yeah, Flatly I'll go back to my lurking.

Hang on - she (and all trolls) use public fora to hound people! And no, that's not beside the point. The only difference between what she was doing and what Sky were doing is Sky were exposing criminal activity and she was posting hateful stuff in a public place about a couple who have lost a child.

I guess it was inevitable though given the way tabloids hound people. To some extent, they created the model and the script for the behaviour of this woman and others like her. Once internet commenting and unmonitored sites and twitter took off, sooner or later, one of the trolls would become their target. And of course, since the stereotype of a troll is a man, even an angry young (white) man, being female brought the Sun down on her. Because boys will be boys, afterall, but woman, particularly mothers, should do better.

The best that can be said re her is, evidently, she was still shameable. She hadn't bought in so deeply that she took this as an opportunity to speak more publicly? IYSWIM? It is a blessing her son doesn't live in the UK and is protected somewhat from the next stage of the tabloid cycle.

A clearer situation, but a different one.

Mainstream and social media shaming of women clearly goes on. But this thread is asking not about media in general, not about trolling in general, but about media responses to trolling.

Which is an interesting question to ask.

Is a clearer situation where you have two people filmed performing a sex act in public, say at a festival, and the man's behaviour is applauded but the woman's behaviour shamed?

I suppose that if a compaint is made then the police have to follow it up.

A warning/caution is a way of nipping hysteria in the bud. Some of these start with 'I hate xx, he's an idiot' and ramp up to 'he should be shot'. The internet is like the wild west.

But doorstepping people? If she had made spcific terror attacks, then that's another matter I guess but is this in the public interest? Do I feel safer in my bed? Will it deter the next enraged citizen? I think now.