Women wearing burqas segregated in aus parliiament building

They are checked before entering. Everyone is.

It's not a religious requirement but rather a cultural one. cote might be able to point to the right verse but my understanding is the veil is in reference to men only taking advice when a women is behind a curtain so as to take advice rather then be distracted. I heard too covering is also older then Islam as it's practiced by Bedouins. Modesty is a requirement but that is interpreted differently.

I can't say I like the burqua as a thing but it doesn't worry me for inderviduals what it says about a society does worry me but I think those changes need to be addressed at a structural level rather than at the item if that makes sense.

Do you think they'll be kicked out at the end of the term? I'm not sure how many more of these incidents I can take.

what do people mean when they say "It's cultural"? Can anyone explain a bit please?

I'm really, really broad minded and try to be open but I get incensed by seeing women cover up their heads and faces. I can just about cope with hair coverings but not the veil. I feel some kind of anger about it and don't fully understand why. :(

Also if people have to remove helmets, sunglasses etc for id checks then any form of face covering must be removed also But they do have to remove face coverings when the enter parliament house or when they are asked to while they are in it. Everyone needs to be identified when they enter parliament house. I see women in burqas regularly where I live and also in Canberra.

No I've understood that the burqa and face covering is not a requirement since I have known about Islam. My point is that women are covering up because they want to be hidden or because those around them insist on it and to place them in a situation because of they way they choose to adhere to their faith and culture which places them on displays is wrong.

I'm trying to tip top around it but I feel like the security thing is just another long line in the peeling back of women's rights in Australia and the same time there is an increased legitimizing of anti Islamic sentiment with some bullshit team 'straya stuff.
Several prominent security experts have come out and say it's unnecessary.

The ban the burqa sentiment is increasing and it not coming form a place of providing a society which is based on equality and women;s rights it comes from a place of fear and ignorance.

Do I want women to wear the burqa? No. I'm an atheist. adhering to rules by leader reading "made up" stories just isn't right but I feel that way about all religious rules But my choice is not someone else and I would rather women had the choice to wear burqas than be banned from doing it. It's taking one form of oppressive ruling and replacing it with another.

Yes we are turning back into a more racist, bigoted, homophobic, mysoginistc society.

I'm with you Serenity, I am hating the way the country is going, and I knew it would turn out this way with Abbott in control. When little Johnnie Howard was the Prime Minister, Abbott was always his bully-boy mouthpiece, saying the horrid, horrid crap that Howard was too machiavellian to commit to himself. All this Islamophobia and burqua bullshit makes me weep for the direction in which this country is heading .

It's been overturned.
I'm yet to see an Australian in a burqua. Mostly hijabs and niquabs.
They are using burquas (incorrectly) as a general term.
Yes Abbott is a tosser.
Yes we are turning back into a more racist, bigoted, homophobic, mysoginistc society. I'm waiting for Abbott to bring back the White Australia Policy and start going on about Yellow Peril!
However, I don't like the niquab personally. Humans communicate so much through facial expression. By covering up the face so much of that is lost. Also if people have to remove helmets, sunglasses etc for id checks then any form of face covering must be removed also.

Cote so what makes some women cover up then? Where did they get that from?

I find Burqas a really, really hard thing to accept. I have been told all about choice and all about freedom to wear what you want but I can't accept that the women wearing them are not coerced from birth. And that those who convert are coerced by the writings of men.

Why do men not need them? I don't like the idea of segregation at all though. It does not sit right.

Absolutely not. Modesty requirement in Islam does not specify face covering. I suggest you read the Quran and also take a look at the Hadith where Mohammad specifically says that a woman's face and hands should remain uncovered & visible.

So you understand now that the burqa, and indeed face covering in general, is not part of the modesty requirement of Islam?

Super crappy phrasing of mine trying to explain even crappier phrasing of mine. Let me try again.

Part of my object to my Parliament putting women who are covering their face into a separate glassed box in the public chamber is that those women who are covering their face are trying to remain discreet. I think it puts an unnecessary burden on those women.

My other two objections to the policy is just about creating a freaking monster out of something that isn't there and it's pointless we just need better entry protocols.

They would have, if covering the face were 'part of the modesty code of Islam'.

"That's the thing cote it's part of the modesty code of Islam"

It's not, actually. And I say that as someone who has lived most of her life in a Muslim country, in a Muslim family, among Muslim friends, and had endless years of RE focused on Islam.

Even if your knowledge of Islam and its requirements are limited, you must have noticed that the vast majority of the world's 800 million Muslim girls & women do not wear a burqa or even cover their faces in some other way. They would have, covering the face were 'part of the modesty code of Islam'.

That's the thing cote it's part of the modesty code of Islam. I don;t agree with needing a modest code but if women are chosing to follow that then to place those women in a situation where they are even more viewed seams pretty fuckign mean and more to the point totally pointless. If the protocols are Parliament house are so lax that a women who has been metal detected and shown ID and had a face check at entry is so dangerous that she needs to be separated and put on show in a separate area then we need to rethink the protocols.
The Parliament house in question free allows visitors to walk all over the top of it. If you really wanted to create a terrorist attack standing on top and setting explosives off would be a damn sight easier then getting through security.

Agree with Cote - this is WAY beyond dressing modestly. Muslim men are also expected to dress modestly but they never ever cover their faces or wear robes that cover almost every inch of skin

"I think it's fucking appalling that we are putting women in a fish bowl who are choosing to be dressed modestly."

What does dressing modestly have to do with hiding under a curtain, looking more like the proverbial ghost than a human being?

I'm not on the fence about. I think it's fucking appalling that we are putting women in a fish bowl who are choosing to be dressed modestly. The idea of the burqua as on oppressive tool against women is almost separate to this because what the Australian Parliament are doing is saying women are so dangerous they need to be put in a box and looked at like they are in a fucking zoo.
Now I also think the covering of women is increasingly misogynistic but I don;t think the way to address the misogyny is to replace with some hideous fish bowl out and out separatism.

On a side note there is evidence to suggest that aboriginal Australians have been on country for about 100 000 years combined with that they are also the oldest continuing culture. To suggest they are immigrants is a bit shit really.

I don't know how many choose to be Muslim. I doubt many, some marry in to it. Probably less than reject Islam in later life. I don't see the choice really

Er have you ever met a convert?