Dave Lee Travis

And actually, I find the number of women saying that the way that DLT has behaved is acceptable really worrying.

I can't decide if it's because:

Those women have been sexually assaulted so often at work that they have developed a thick skin about it. Minimised it to themselves and each other so well that it really feels like it's no big deal.

They have never been sexually assaulted in the way at work and so just don't believe other women who have. unlikely

They are in some way colluding with the men who do this. In a weird Stockholm Syndrome way.

It's a pointless, trivial sentence, because it's a case that would probably never have come to trial if he hadn't been famous.

Could be... but to me that says that we should be taking it more seriously, not less.

99.99% of women who have been abused by a sexist twat of a boss. Have absolutely no chance of any come back.

They do, but things are so stacked against women in the workplace that we shut up and put up. Far too often.

This ridiculous show trial is no comfort to them and it's not going to make men behave any better either.

I've taken comfort from it. It's helped me to see that 12 people also felt that it was assault.

It makes make bosses afraid to recruit female workers, it makes male co workers nervous around female colleagues. It doesn't change attitudes!

Only if they are incapable of not grabbing a co-workers breasts for 15 seconds, and to be fair, not many women want to work with such sexual incontinents.

It doesn't make young men see that this behaviour is fundamentally wrong. It doesn't make men understand why it upsets and frightens women, because nothing equivalent happens to them.

Then they are fucking stupid and probably shouldn't be allowed out on their own, let alone in a workplace with actual real human beings.

Because rightly or wrongly men think that a women who doesn't like them can lie and they can find themselves suspended and their career in ruins, even if they haven't done anything.

What a complete crock.

It probably happens very rarely, it needs a very cold heart and a very very steady nerve to keep up such a lie, but men are still nervous.

It certainly happens more rarely than women being sexually assaulted in the workplace and the perpetrator getting clean away with it, wouldn't you say?

Well, women are pretty nervous that they will get assaulted. Which of course happens far more often than the false accusation.

Because rightly or wrongly men think that a women who doesn't like them can lie and they can find themselves suspended and their career in ruins, even if they haven't done anything.

It probably happens very rarely, it needs a very cold heart and a very very steady nerve to keep up such a lie, but men are still nervous.

I would never tire of kicking him very hard where it hurts.

This ridiculous show trial is no comfort to them and it's not going to make men behave any better either.

But it might be of comfort to DLT's victims.

I dunno about you Petula, but I somehow manage not to squeeze junior colleagues in the chest when they are on a fag break.

okay. hell never work again.

yet according to entertainment news on the bbc the guy who was in jail for a while on certain charges, who was a dj and presenter in the 70s and 80s is now back on tv (was on TOTP) and is going to present a programme about the band Genesis.

and the BBC agreed to show any clips with him. I don't understand this.

why should men be nervous? just don't sexually assault women, job's a goodun

i don't like the way some people (both men and women, note) behave when my dp wears his kilt

"It makes make bosses afraid to recruit female workers, it makes male co workers nervous around female colleagues."

Any man grabbing his female colleagues' breasts should be fucking nervous.

"You lot have obviously never been in a northern night club when a group of Scotsmen in kilts walk in."

Unwanted sexual contact is sexual assault. In a nightclub, wherever.

It makes make bosses afraid to recruit female workers, it makes male co workers nervous around female colleagues. It doesn't change attitudes!

It doesn't make young men see that this behaviour is fundamentally wrong. It doesn't make men understand why it upsets and frightens women, because nothing equivalent happens to them.

In 1995 he was 50. Not too old to learn new things.

This wasn't a young fan girl competing to kiss him, this was a woman who was having a cigarette whose breasts he grabbed. There was no "mistake" about "going a bit far" in a kissing competition - she was 28 years younger and junior to him work wise.

Anyone, judge said it was worthy of a custodial sentence but he took the decision to suspend given the health and financial impact of the trials on DLT.

You lot have obviously never been in a northern night club when a group of Scotsmen in kilts walk in.

Bottom pinching doesn't come into it!!

Yes I know it was in 1995.
Just trying to show how his ideas on women and what was acceptable in the 70s may have affected his judgement and boundaries.
Not excusing him, just a different perspective.
And yes he would have known that society's views on women had changed,thankfully,in the 90s but was it ingrained into a lot of those celebrities of the era that women are just sex objects ?

"No he doesn't win, he'll never work again."

Good.

" it's not going to make men behave any better either"

I really think it might. DLT and the millions of creepy idiots like him literally do not realise that they are infringing on the lives of those that they insistently touch. His indignant, "No one said I was committing a crime!" really illustrates this. And also his massive sense of entitlement.

The assault was in 1995, Jaffa.

I remember seeing DLT at an opening of a new disco (!) in Bristol in late 1970s. I was 18 and there was a crowd of quite young girls probably 16-18 all over him, their choice. No one said it was wrong and they were competing on who would kiss him.
Very different time and must have confused the men who were in the limelight then.
Thankfully times have changed. Women now know that it is illegal to be touched against their will, bottoms aren't pinched on tubes like we had to endure.
I am not excusing his behaviour at all, I think he is an arrogant man who cannot see that his actions were wrong.
But he would never have been in court in the 70s and 80s.

No he doesn't win, he'll never work again.

But femanism and the cause if women's rights doesn't win either.

It's a pointless, trivial sentence, because it's a case that would probably never have come to trial if he hadn't been famous.

99.99% of women who have been abused by a sexist twat of a boss. Have absolutely no chance of any come back.

This ridiculous show trial is no comfort to them and it's not going to make men behave any better either.

It's to do with the severity of the offence and the sentencing that would have been possible at the time of the offence.

The offence was against an adult as well.

I don't know.

for me, guilty means jail.

if they did that with the others (RH MC) why not him? same allegations aren't they?

Yup

But he has been found guilty which is good.