Have you seen the Emma Watson Speech?

If they had them they'd have posted them by now. They're probably desperately trying to work out how to use Photoshop right now.

I think I'm an inadvertent feminist.

I'm not sure how I feel about her speech, to be honest.

I think Emma Watson is a strong, intelligent and passionate young woman, and I feel she truly believes in gender equality.

I also agree with what she said in her speech, that equality can only be achieved by women and men working together, and that men, too, will benefit from the downfall of patriachy.

But it sits abit uneasily with me. It feels almost like the carry on from some MRA's on the FWR board. That if feminists ask nicely enough and fix all of the mens problems first, then maybe they'll be gracious enough to help us.

As I said, I highly admire Emma Watson and think it was a heartfelt and insightfull speech. Maybe I'm just jaded and cynical in my middle age.

Good speech.

I think I understand the name "heforshe" - trying to bring men into the feminist movement by suggesting that they need to be as much for women's rights as women are, because only if everyone gets behind the move for equality is it likely to happen.

I read a very depressing article the other day from a woman who was an ex "Quiverfull" Christian. It really highlighted why so many people, especially in the Christian fundamentalist belt in the USA, are so entrenched in the patriarchy and why it would be immeasurably difficult to change anything. The less depressing thing about the article is that she got out of it; but it's the existence of such an organisation that's so fucking depressing. :(

I wouldn't have, I don't think. Why fucking pander to it. It's not about being beautiful, as such.

Why would you give even 30 seconds of your time to enable them to have a more gratifying wank? Never mind a photo shoot's worth of time. Genuine question.

As for nude photos, I've never understood why beautiful actresses care.

If I was Emma I'd have posted a nude selfie on my 18th birthday. With the note,

I know you are all wanking over fake photo shopped nude pictures. You may as well have the real thing so I can wear my bikini in peace.

Depends whether she ever took naked photos. They are never your own. iCloud hackers seem to get everywhere, with or without personal accomplices.

Oh, they'd do it if they had them, I just don't think they have them.

Bet they're not

You've seen what happens when women stick their heads over the parapet. And didn't she tweet in support of Jennifer Lawrence when it happened to her?
She'll end up another cautionary tale.

Yeah, if they had them them they'd have released them with the others. So probably a hoax but still disgusting.

Yes it is more "patriarchy hurts men too"

That there seems even more pressure to conform to sexual stereotypes now than when. I was young.

Any attempt to get both sexes to see each other simply as people which the same needs and fears is OK by me.

Most men will one day have partners and children, many of the inequalities in the work place will affect them (most men don't want to get home after their DCs are in bed). Childcare costs and poor part time wages trap men too. Some revel in their careers. I know my DDad hated his job, but he didn't believe in women working. A man of his time, but hopefully not my DDs

Bet 4chan are bluffing!

fucking 4chan

I have loads of early 20's lads on my fb. Cos I'm cool, obv. They have all liked the UniLad link on it.

It reminds me of Paradise Lost - "he for god, she for god in him."

She's great, and I really hope it does turn more people onto feminism.

"And now 4chan are threatening to release her nudes in 4 days time as punishment "

That's along the lines of "the comments under an article on feminism justify feminism", innit?!

Isn't it more "patriarchy hurts men too" than "what about.."

I didn't like the, what about the menz part, towards the end but overall I liked it. I'm not clever and wordy but I really liked it.

It's the feminist rebrand!

I thought that was brilliant. I just shared it on Facebook, my first ever feminist post on Facebook. The, "if not me, who?", part of her speech convinced me to stand up and admit I am a feminist. I think she was fantastic.

I don't think we need men to "swoop in and save the feminist movement".

However I would venture that, wrongly, feminism suffers from an image problem and that Hermione's Emma's take on it is an interesting one.

I think it is a bit odd that the speech is sort of imploring men to come and help feminism but has come from a woman. But I suppose that is a bit sexist in itself.

To have the courage, conviction, confidence, lucidness and oh everything at her her age to stand and say that....Bravo Emma.

I am years older than her, but to my shame I have never thought about feminism like that before, purely in terms of gender stereotyping I mean, and that if we battle for one side, we are also battling for the other. I have known too many young men who have had depression and killed themselves, and known too many young women who have thought they are worth nothing more than being controlled by men.

Great speech. I'm also not quite convinced by her argument but she is young and clearly completely sincere about what she said.

Her backlash is no doubt going to be severe - all for saying "I've had this idea that maybe we are equal". Okay her backlash isn't likely to see her sent to prison for 27 years a la Mandela, shot like Malala or put under house arrest like Aung San Suu Kii, but she will need reserves of fortitude to get through it. I think she knows that; let's see what she can do.