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Just got out of the swimming pool....

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rosabud · 16/09/2014 22:11

Like the poster who had to put up with men behaving unacceptably on a train yesterday, I have had a similar experience tonight at my local pool. I was with my teenage daughter and we were swimming quite late in the evening and, as we live in rural area, the pool was largely empty. A group of 5 men came in and began being rowdy and "larking" about and managing to "accidentally" get in our way. DD was intimidated at this point and wanted to get out but I told her not to be daft and we moved over to the edge of the pool and finished our swim.

When we got out, the men were already in the unisex changing rooms. As we walked round the corner one of them was wandering around naked and, when he saw us, laughed and placed his hands over his genitals. Cue raucous laughter from the other men and shouts of "Did she see your fucking length?!" DD and I ignored them, went into a cubicle and got changed, all the time listening to them loudly shouting and swearing about the lengths of their penises and what they could do with them. I was getting very angry and was going to confront them but DD, quite frightened, begged me not to.

Afterwards, I complained to the staff on reception that the behaviour and language had been appalling, that female customers who are in a vulnerable situation (naked and getting changed) should not be subjected to that and neither should the female member of staff who had been in the changing rooms at the time.

A male member of staff was very apologetic and said that had he known about it, he would have dealt with it, which I suppose is something.

I am so angry that men think it is OK and even funny to behave like this in public and to intimidate women. I am also angry that the female life guard did not immediately go and get security involved - I am not blaming her - it just makes me reallize how all women are socialsied to "accept" or "put up with" this kind of harrassment.

When we came out and got in the car, I had the rage so badly that I was shaking!! Angry

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kentishgirl · 17/09/2014 14:33

How old is DD?

I'd report to police too I think - if they are members the pool may have records of who was there, or there may be CCTV if you act quickly. It's indecent exposure and harrassment. If DD is under 16 then even worse.

NormaStanleyFletcher · 17/09/2014 06:39

Rosa, so sorry you and your DD were exposed to that behaviour, it sounds grim.

I think I would write a letter at the least, if not call 101 for advice

Roonerspism · 17/09/2014 04:45

This was indecent exposure and therefore a criminal offence and should be reported to the police. It should not be expected as the norm.

It is tiresome that women have to fight this way, but we do, or it will never change.

Zazzles007 · 17/09/2014 04:22

Ugh, yuck, I think this is utterly grim as well. Where I live, I would be livid if the local pools weere to have unisex change rooms - it.would.not.go.down.well. If the society were geared towards being more accepting of unisex change rooms as described with Germany, I would not have a problem, horses for courses. However, the twatty behaviour of these men was uncalled for and intimidating, which was their aim. Of course they will couch it as 'having a laff', however, they are the only ones laughing. Its not a joke when others find your behaviours disgusting and intimidating. Find them if you can, and get them warned off.

PetulaGordino · 16/09/2014 23:20

How utterly grim. Hope you and your dd are ok

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 16/09/2014 23:17

Our local pool has unisex changing rooms but the actual changing is all in cubicles. So anyone seen naked has made a deliberate choice for that to happen, which sounds like this guy here too.

MildDrPepperAddiction · 16/09/2014 22:54

NickandNora said it perfectly.

Hope you and your dd are ok now.

dreamingbohemian · 16/09/2014 22:54

That's awful. I'm so sorry you both had to go through that.

I would suggest writing a strongly worded letter of complaint to the pool, asking them to review their policies and procedures for situations like this, and to inform you of the outcome of their review. I'd say you will not hesitate to call the police if this happens to you again, that should get their attention.

On the broader issue, I think unisex rooms are fine in places where they are the norm and everyone grows up with them. I go to a pool here in Germany with unisex rooms and it doesn't seem like anyone cares, people walk around the hallways naked. But you can't impose norms on a society, there's no reason to think men will just magically behave themselves and women shouldn't have to put up with that kind of bullshit.

DancingDinosaur · 16/09/2014 22:36

Hmm, I'd report it to the police. See if they can do anything. Take back control for yourself and your dd.

NickAndNora · 16/09/2014 22:30

This is why I am firmly against unisex changing rooms and toilets. Shared space becomes male space and it stops women participating in society.

Whoever came up with unisex changing rooms has never had to deal with catcalls, public body-shaming, hazing, being pestered for attention, someone getting angry because you've rejected his attention, Peeping Toms, creepshots, revenge porn, flashing, exhibitionism and sexual assault.

Women-only space isn't about prudery and pearl-clutching, it's about keeping women safe and enabling us to participate in the world. Women in developing countries are fighting to gain these spaces but here it's 'progressive' to get rid of them. To me they are a sexual harassers wet dream.

I'm really angry these entitled arseholes ruined your sense of ease and enjoyment at what should have been a fun activity with your daughter. Bastards!

HolyQuadrityDrinkFeckArseGirls · 16/09/2014 22:30

Def the police.

Biscuitsneeded · 16/09/2014 22:24

I think I would report to the police. The swimming pool may have CCTV footage of these men arriving/leaving, if not of their behaviour in the changing area.

PuffinsAreFicticious · 16/09/2014 22:22

Are you ok now? What a horrible thing for you to have experienced. Have you thought about speaking to the police?

Take care.

rosabud · 16/09/2014 22:21

Thank you, both of you. Buffy, I have a real life glass of wine here and it's only Tuesday!!

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ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 16/09/2014 22:17

God, how awful. That's indecent expusure.