Just got on a train...

"if the aim was to find perps/victims of trafficking it was a complete failure".

They weren't looking for victims, they were looking for traffickers.

How come they weren't able to find any? The raids were all unannounced. And how come if there were victims of trafficking present at the time they didn't take the opportunity to tell the police they needed rescued?

It's all a bit dull isn't it.

Waah waah I want to stick my dick wherever I like and intimidate/freak out women and children (and probably some men to be honest) on public transport by talking about my experiences sticking my dick wherever I like in explicit and derogatory terms. What's wrong with that?

Well if you don't know, you're very very strange and I don't even know what else. Disturbing? Is maybe a good word.

Your views are disturbing. You have no grasp of the difference between public/private, no grasp of normal social interaction and mores, and a disturbing lack of boundaries related to sex.

Proposed human trafficking bill for Scotland

www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybusiness/Bills/67134.aspx

Report on human trafficking in Scotland

www.equalityhumanrights.com/about-us/devolved-authorities/commission-scotland/human-rights-scotland/inquiry-human-trafficking-scotland

or should I say, got any fucking links?

It is a chilling reminder that it was only 4 years ago that someone who had entered into a situation of exploitation willingly, but on false pretences, (i.e. on the basis of being offered a job as a chamber maid that never materialised) was considered not to be trafficked, as they had gone with their trafficker willingly.

"Read the fucking news why don't you. The UK news."

Got any links?

(The source for my last post is somewhere on Laura Agustin's website.)

No I don't mean that at all buw. I'm not an american. What on earth are you talking about.

Read the fucking news why don't you. The UK news.

i have never heard men in amsterdam talking about Prostitutes They Have Known on public transport

You do realise that, given that you are a person who seriously thinks that it is perfectly reasonable for groups of men to travel around on public transport talking about fucking, while eyeing females in the general vicinity, your arguments are kind of negated, right?

Even if anyone was interested in reading them, which they aren't.

"There are stories in the news every week of women and especially girls being rescued from sexual exploitation"

By rescued do you mean having cops bust into their brothel and then detain the workers against their will? That's what happens in countries who rely on funding from the US, they have to look like they are fighting human trafficking so they just arrest random workers and call it a "rescue".

is there a punterpost generator somewhere on the interweb?

"if the aim was to find perps/victims of trafficking it was a complete failure".

They weren't looking for victims, they were looking for traffickers.

There has been slow progress off the back of the ratification of the Council of Europe Convention on Action against Trafficking, but there has been some improvements in terms of how trafficking is defined.

Will you post any more illuminating links as to other forms of control and removal of choice, or is physical control and imprisonment the only one you consider relevant?

Oooh look at the cut n paste arguments!

More please this is all new and interesting stuff.

There are stories in the news every week of women and especially girls being rescued from sexual exploitation you twat

Read the news why don't you?

Or are you too busy chatting about blow-jobs in a loud voice on the tube.

Honestly it's so dull.

Thistledew asked if I had any sources.

Same in Amsteram. not a single victim of trafficking found in the operation.

Not one.

lol

Massive fail on answering any questions

Massive fail on empathy (well that's a given isn't it!)

Massive fail on responding to reasonable points about sociopathy

Massive attempt to sidetrack conversation into areas he can cut n paste his arguments even though they are totally unrelated to the OP = check

"UK-wide operation involving all UK police forces who spent 6 months raiding suspeced brothels/private homes etc unannounced "

You think the results of this aren't important? IMO the results from such a huge operation are far more important than the junk science biased agenda based research done by Farley etc

OP pentameter: check

"Unless you have sources based on proper research?"

re whether sexworkers have been trafficked here are a couple links on operations done UK-wide and in Amsterdam to find traffickes and victims of trafficking.

www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/oct/20/government-trafficking-enquiry-fails

UK-wide operation involving all UK police forces who spent 6 months raiding suspeced brothels/private homes etc unannounced. They were able to arrest some women for cannabis posession, but if the aim was to find perps/victims of trafficking it was a complete failure. Some police forces found noone to arrest and were so embarrassed they dishonestly made up some arrest numbers.

maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/dutch-threat/

Feminists were claiming (with zero evidence) 90% of sexworkers in Amsterdam were trafficked. So the cops launch a huge raid and despite detaining and interrogating 157 women they found 0 victims of trafficking.

I wonder how a certain poster would feel if he was sitting on a train next to a group of blokes twice his size who were talking in a detailed and demeaning way about paying for sex from people who look like him. And one of them looking at him while this conversation was going on.

He would feel uncomfortable as fuck, is how he would feel.

He will come along now and so Nope it wouldn't bother me at all. Yeah right.

Whisk, sadly, it happens more often than you'd think. They have a script as well. And are dull.

It struck me the other day that one of the biggest, most glaring examples of male privilege is the way that men can expect to use the sort of sexist, demeaning, degrading language and imagery that you would expect from someone who was a real sociopath with violent intent towards women, but at the same time be treated as 'one of the good guys really'.

I say, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. If the men who want to be treated as one of the good guys can't be bothered to differentiate themselves from the sleazy scumbags who hate women, then women shouldn't be bothered to draw that distinction either.

The ability to get away with misogyny is the biggest male privilege.