Thinking out loud about nail varnish...

remove our vaginas, anuses and mouths and keep them safe

We could pop them into a safety deposit box! I see a new business opportunity.....

Obviously rape is different to theft, my point is that until there are no rapists, should we do nothing or should we take some basic precautions?

Or remove our vaginas, anuses and mouths and keep them safe unless we are sure we want to use them for a sex act?

Given the majority of rapes are perpetrated by men known to the victim, the logical conclusion of your position, carol, is that women should take care never to get to know men in order to protect themselves.

Not sure where i stand on this. Agree that victim blaming is wrong, but what about other crimes.
Burglary prevention is sold to victims and if you left your house or car unlocked, people would be less sympathetic that you are burgled.
So isn't this true for all crimes, the best way to stop it is prevent the criminals, but in reality potential victims protect themselves?

No ABland, Ready doesn't date horrible men like that, so presumably, neither do her friends.

Are there any men in your group of drinking mates, ready? Or any boyfriends who sometimes get involved in the escorting home?

Because statistically there's probably a greater risk of one of those being a rapist than of one of you falling victim to a drug rapist.

NAMALT, natch.

Well as long as everything's ok for you and your not mad mates Ready, then yay!

Feminists will just keep on quietly or loudly naming the problem while you all enjoy your restrictive routines to keep you 'safe'

What happens when one of you pulls? Or is being raped? Or is just too drunk to call and check in? Who calls the police?

Men could stop raping if they wanted to. Men are not genetically predisposed to rape others. Rapists choose to rape and no amount of nifty nail polish or phone calls or anything else will change that.

It's a bit off though that your 'mates' are more interested in keeping each other safe rather than working on the problem, and they think we're the mad ones........

Agree, dia, and one that's much more user neutral ie anyone could check any drink (you can hardly offer to stick your nail in the drink of the woozy looking woman on the next bar stool)

Ahh i see onemiddle has already suggested this with straws. Yep totally agree. Straws would be perfect.

I think a far better 'drink tester' would be a strip of some kind that has the reactive substance the whole way up it. A strip long enough to reach the bottom of a pint glass and maybe fold over the top of the glass. It would show at exactly what level the drink was when the drug was added. Maybe bars could have them on the counters like they do with straws so no cost to anyone to do a test on their drink. The bar would be declaring their responsibility to their patrons' safety. And also if every glass has a strip sitting in it then a rapist is going to have a tougher time finding a victim. It would also be very easy for staff to test a drink of someone who has passed out to see if they had been drugged. Would be great if bars could also something like an immediate lockdown and call to the police in the case of a drugged drink being discovered. Make it really fucking awkward and risky to be a drug rapist.

But i suppose i'm dreaming.

And I mean, I suppose, the "precautions" you are taking sound extraordinarily restrictive to me, so I suppose wearing some nail varnish on top of all that is nothing really.

It's this thing isn't it where feminists are derided as being "man haters" but actually someone with ready's "normal" attitude is far more offensive. Not to mention restricting to women's freedom - it's like living under a curfew but voluntarily FGS.

"When I go out with the girls we all look out for each other and make sure none of us are left on our own, we share cabs and call each other to confirm we're safe at home."

What if you pull, ready?

I'm not saying it will stop men raping! It is another tool in the box for women who wish to use it.

Personally, I wouldn't use any of these tools, I've never even owned a rape alarm. Why? Because I've never felt at risk. When I go out with the girls we all look out for each other and make sure none of us are left on our own, we share cabs and call each other to confirm we're safe at home. And thankfully, I've never been in a relationship with someone who has the ability to do something so horrific.

Nothing will stop men raping. It's naive to think that. All we can do is look after ourselves as best we can and that is not blaming women, it's being realistic about human nature!

I'm out of this conversation as I obviously have very different views on this to most(all) of you. Incidentally, thinking I was going mad, I showed this thread to a few mates and thankfully I'm not alone.

Indigui thank you for articulating something I was trying to say in real life. Its also the idea that we all have to be hypervigilant all the time that can cause an unhealthy amount of stress. As a youngster I used to go out a lot in a town (not a city) - and felt safe because I was with people I trusted. I used to think my mum was crazy for wanting to know how I planned to get home. But I would have been at more risk then, when I could be isolated, than in a club surrounded by staff and friends. It smacks of that law where you can check for dv convictions - where if you feel the need to check, you are doubting your own your judgement, and if you don't check and discover the hard way that he's violent then you can be asked why you didn't check.
Catch 22.

In that case, men can all be made to stay at home until the small number of them who can't keep their cocks out of vaginas when they aren't welcome are weeded out. Because that would be the best way to stop women being raped. I mean, if we're serious about stopping rape of course, and not just serious about making women responsible for it

exactly this

Ok, ready. In that case, men can all be made to stay at home until the small number of them who can't keep their cocks out of vaginas when they aren't welcome are weeded out. Because that would be the best way to stop women being raped. I mean, if we're serious about stopping rape of course, and not just serious about making women responsible for it.

And yes, I know, NAMALT. But enough are, and for safety's sake, they should all be responsible.

Saying that nail varnish will help stop men raping and that's it's a good idea makes it sound like men just can't help themselves. I hold men to higher standards.

That's the 'women shouldn't drink - they're putting themselves at so much risk - stop having fun, women' narrative, isn't it?
Other times women are at risk of rape according to SVU or the daily mail - jogging, walking in the park, camping alone, going on holiday.

Never at home with a violent partner. That's grand.

Because only women get raped, and only women who are done up in all the trappings of femininity and on a night out with drinks.

Children, men don't get raped. Nor women who are not done up for a night out and having drinks.

It's a pretty specific situation isn't it, actually.

The subtext is, women are at high risk when they are on a night out with drinking involved, and done up in their going-out gear.

Lots of women don't even wear nail varnish. It conjures up an image of a fully groomed woman in a bar laughingly chucking down a cocktail, doesn't it. Maybe on a "girls night out".

Of course drug facilitated rapes by strangers in those situations are a very small minority of offences.

So they have focussed on a huge RAPE MYTH and cleverly found a "solution" for it which won't actually stop any rapes.

WOOHOO!!! Well done boys

What pisses me off is that the product is clearly available as a gender neutral, user neutral (ie bar staff or drinker) stick BUT there are still efforts to incorporate it into female focussed products like bail varnish or lip gloss.

Why?