Why are feminists so threatened by the MRA movement?

i think we should all go home and let men sort out inequalities. they've done such a great job so far

Oh no, we don't need feminism at all...Yet another example of women's time and energy being wasted by men. Why are you all attempting to educate this nincompoop?

His question has been answered multiple times over the course of the thread, and he has ignored each and every one.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the responses to the thread that Voix posted on his reddit site. Aside from the predictable response that feminists want to put women ahead of men (really?) and the old "biological differences" chestnut.

It does smack somewhat of not understanding what feminism is really about. Which is tragically pervasive everywhere, not just MRA groups.

Op, no one suggested you should go and crayon on Reddit. You decided that for yourself. What a chump!

hilarious assumption that we might find it a wee bit tricky to set up an account, so need reassurance that it won't tax our ladybrains too much

oh great, so now the OP is going to prove us all right and we're the ones who have to bear the brunt of it

Thanks for the heads up Bif. I'll let MNHQ know too, those Klaxons often need reinforcements.

You haven't suggested alternatives though OP? To the issues men face that may not be part of the patriarchy? You are saying they may not be part of the patriarchy; feminist think they are and have offered reasons for this analysis e.g. my analysis of why men aren't supported in context of DV. Which is why I think that critiquing the gender based distribution of.agency is potentially liberationary for all of us. If you have an alternative analysis and strategy, please do offer it.

So, no apology to the women who have taken time to set you right using their extensive academic muscles then? Just a hand wringing post about how very jolly clever these other people and how you couldn't possibly be expected to know that other people are clever too? Yup, says it all about your view of women.

You say that we can't tell who is a feminist. I pre-empted that assertion, which, magically I knew you would make, by suggesting how you can tell if someone is one or not. You're not a feminist either, you have far too low an opinion of women, feminism is about loving women and liberating them from patriarchy. There are male feminists/feminist allies who post here regularly, you aren't one of them.

You want legal ways that women are discriminated against? Ok. The abortion act 1967, which states that women only have bodily autonomy and can be trusted to make decisions about their bodies until an arbitrary time stamp in a pregnancy. There's one. There are others.

Are you a Richard Dawkins fan, OP?

Tried that, got called a cunt who deserved to have her face punched in.

I see you linked to this thread. Prepare for the brigade everybody!

Voix, what is your theory into the causes of the men's issues you raise, if not social expectation of gender?

feminists have been researching and analysing and debating the influence of gender stereotyping for decades, and continue to do so

look at online discussions and literature passim for conversations about the extent to which xyz situation will have been influenced by gender stereotypes, or whether other factors have more bearing

if you declare yourself feminist you should know this

indeed

Or critiques of Pinker' s descent into oddness.

Male rape story for those interested

Petula - Or law.

"Discrimination when hiring is illegal (unless it's 'positive' discrimination)"

You really don't like research do you? Assuming you in the UK, do some proper reading on employment law.

What are your ideas as to how men's problems can be solved?

Imo, custody - take equal responsibility for parenting the child before divorce.
Health - take some responsibility for looking after yourself and going to the doctors more.
Reproduction - take responsibility for your own birth control and your choice of partners
Education - stop making boys will be boys excuses when they misbehave. Dont impose on them the idea that things like reading are girly.

Anything else? I know feminists that already do 4 but not sure how you expect them to deal with 1-3. Though I think your main aim is to ultimately discredit feminism.

Also mumsnet is quite well known for being full of women with extensive academic backgrounds. Though apparently not by the men who stroll in and quickly find themselves out of their depth.

all you're demonstrating is you have no understanding of academia or science at all

Fairly recently, a man was raped when he was hitchhiking. By another man. As a response, there was increased police presence in the area to help men people feel safer. Because men were at risk. Women get raped all the time, no biggie. But a man? That's serious.

Gosh this is still going. You lot are all either far more patient than me, or having a lot more fun with our little friend.