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Why are feminists so threatened by the MRA movement?

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LaVoixDeLaRaison · 09/09/2014 18:47

When I was at university, the Gender Equality society (of which I was a member) chose to rename itself the Feminist society, arguing that the only way equality could be achieved was by focusing on women's issues. This led some other students to set up an MRA group, which was met with some resistance from the feminists. On this very board I see commenters angrily referring to MRAs as if they are all members of an evil homogeneous group.

Isn't it possible that men and women both suffer oppression from society in different ways? That the levels of this oppression are not necessarily equal, but are still important if we are to achieve equality? I often see feminists agreeing with certain 'male issues' (e.g. media stereotypes, elevated male suicide rate), but suggesting that feminism has other priorities, and if they want to do something about these issues then they should make their own groups. Why do they get criticized when they do exactly that? Better still, wouldn't feminism be better off if it didn't alienate so many men (and women, focused on a wider range of issues, and stopped pitting the sexes against one another?

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JustTheRightBullets · 10/09/2014 16:07

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PetulaGordino · 10/09/2014 16:06

yes sorry, was for the benefit of lurking MRAs

(hears the distant spluttering of MRAs contemplating the idea of not being entitled to PIV sex)

Zazzles007 · 10/09/2014 16:03

That's the point that is always missing Petula.

I also like the number of poster over there who proclaim "I used to be a feminist, but.....". I'll eat my hat if any of them were really and truly a feminist Hmm.

CaptChaos · 10/09/2014 16:01

So he is Bif.

He has some very odd ideas even for an MRA.

TessOfTheFurbyvilles · 10/09/2014 16:00

I feel my IQ dropping, having read those Reddit responses.

AnnieLobeseder · 10/09/2014 15:59

manlyalmondcakes - I have just read up on Greenham Common to find out WTAF you were talking about. Fucking awesome! Grin Thank you for pointing me towards that, I had no idea.

PetulaGordino · 10/09/2014 15:59

and no feminist has ever had a son, either

PetulaGordino · 10/09/2014 15:58

if a man feels he wouldn't be a suitable parent he always has the option of opting out of PIV sex

Hakluyt · 10/09/2014 15:57

"If feminists care about war, why haven't they do something about it to show their opposition? Perhaps they could congregate around some kind of major military installation for nineteen years, maybe seventy thousand feminists at a time. "

Such a shame they didn't do anything like that. I would have joined in when I was a young woman if they had. They could have called the gates by different colours........that would have been nice..........

ChunkyPickle · 10/09/2014 15:57

i was refuting the page you linked to junking the '1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted' stat - which from my, and every woman i know's experience is actually an underestimate, not an overestimate as that page suggests (and as a woman, I am almost certain that the author will have been assaulted herself). At no point did I say men can't be assaulted, or that men being assaulted is better than women - I was simple refuting the information on the page.

Your reply was textbook derailing - a paragraph about a completely different point entirely.

You also miss the point on expectations. If I grow up, and all the women around me are SAHM or cleaners, or dinner ladies, and most of the men work in offices, then I assume that that's how it should be - I don't need to have official restrictions, society has put them in my head for me.

Oh and as to things being equal - how often do you think 28 year-old men worry about going into an interview and how they're going to dance around the (sometimes hinted, sometimes a lot more direct) questions about whether they intend to have children soon? How many men get asked about their childcare arrangements? How many small business owners happily announce on the internet that they just won't hire women of child-bearing age. That is the patriarchy - the laws can say what they want, but people (men) will act as they choose

Zazzles007 · 10/09/2014 15:57

I know CaptChaos, but that ties in the argument that if a man impregnates a woman (what about just had sex with her?) and feels he wouldn't be a suitable parent, then he should "have the option of opting out of parenting".

Bifauxnen · 10/09/2014 15:57

Davidbyron lives in his own world. He's a very bizarre individual.

CaptChaos · 10/09/2014 15:52

Apparently MN is a sex segregationist forum. So, if by parents for parents = sex segregationism does that mean that the man who state that doesn't think men are parents?

PetulaGordino · 10/09/2014 15:46

no surprise that disablism goes hand in hand really

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 10/09/2014 15:46

I don't think I care enough to read anymore. I got to a post about acting as a humane shield, in a gallant way, but then went on to say how he was upset that he loses bodily autonomy once he gets someone pregnant and wants to be able to opt out and I lost the will to invest more of my time in that drivel.

manlyalmondcakes · 10/09/2014 15:46

I agree with the OP about women not having an interest in the problem of war. Feminists lack of interest in this area is a disgrace and the main reason so many wars happen leading to the conscription of so many young men.

If feminists care about war, why haven't they do something about it to show their opposition? Perhaps they could congregate around some kind of major military installation for nineteen years, maybe seventy thousand feminists at a time. Granted, that would involve a serious risk of hardship, police harassment and arrest, but if feminists really cared about serious issues like war, surely they would have done something about it?

And feminism has always been like that. Why did none of the suffragettes ever, just for example here, oppose colonialism in Ethiopia, start a newspaper about it, get monitored by the British government, move to Ethiopia to support health care for people there, and be given a state funeral by Haile Selassie? It is as if they are only ever bothered about their own problems.

Zazzles007 · 10/09/2014 15:46

Oh, not at the top, the linky, drop down thingy is just above the first posted reply

BriarRainbowshimmer · 10/09/2014 15:45

Surely OP's name is a parody of trite MRAs

Bifauxnen · 10/09/2014 15:45

They do love an offensive portmanteau. "Femtard" "libtard" "mangina", you get the idea.
Portmanteau s should only be moulded in the name of goodness, imo.
I love the word 'portmanteau' Grin

Hakluyt · 10/09/2014 15:44

I'm trying to remember exactly what I was banned for. I know I suggested that, while male infant circumcision was objectionable, it wasn't usually as damaging as FGM. I said that is thought that it was unfortunate that men don't have the ultimate right to decide whether they have a baby, they do have a choice about whether they have sex or use contraception. And several other perfectly mainstream points of view. I was polite and non confrontational. But banned.

Zazzles007 · 10/09/2014 15:43

Ah Hoppy, there is a linky thing on the top left hand side of the page which is set to 'best' comment. Change it to 'old', and it will list the posts in chronological order.

GilbertBlytheWouldGetIt · 10/09/2014 15:42

I am almost certain most of them only read their own posts, and skim over any responses looking for statements to which they can compose farticulate answers.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 10/09/2014 15:41

Is it just me or is reddit really hard to follow anyway. Its not a conversation it's just a series of posts competing to see who gets the most likes?

A pissing contest, if you will.

Zazzles007 · 10/09/2014 15:38

Do MRA's have a list of wanky words that they have to have in their posts to justify their faux intellectualism? Is it all just a big pissing up contest using words instead of, ya' know, piss?

PenguinsIsSleepDeprived · 10/09/2014 15:35

Maybe he just forgot his passwordGrin

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