Why are feminists so threatened by the MRA movement?

Men already have all the rights, what more rights do they want?
The right to do childcare...
The right to be SAHDs?
These rights are already theirs.

" I'd still argue (pointlessly) that conscription and death in service outstrips other sexists constructs significantly"

Statistics have been posted already, but which do you think is more accurately recorded - femicide and death through prostitution, or death through conscription?

I actually think when a woman does the whole "but why can't we work with the lovely kind men who only want the best for us?" that they're really on the verge of having their eyes opened. Because the next step is "Oh, but they don't really want the best for us, do they?"

This post is addressed to the women here.

I cannot for the life of me understand why men seeking to end patriarchy would address themselves to women. I mean, what an utter waste of time. Any man who can see that the current set up is unfair must surely be able to see that the people/structures/power holders/occupiers of the mechanisms for change, are male.

Why then would one waste one's time in haranguing the people who are least able to bring about the change one wants? Gee, gosh, I cannot think

Because, Buffy, I'm ashamed to say that once I was that clown. I even came on here and had much the same argument with the FWR crowd of the time. I did actually come to the FWR board to tell the feminists how they were Doing Feminism Wrong. They patiently discussed with me what an idiot I was being how things actually are, and I was saw the light. I am always optimistic it could happen again.

I don't understand why MRAs can't choose to do childcare like women and loads of other men do. Is there a special MRA contract they have to sign?

I think if feminists are 'already fighting this battle', then they need to show increased recognition of female-on-male domestic abuse

Every feminist I know personally, recognizes F-on-M domestic abuse exists, and finds it abhorrent.

However, it's for men themselves to take up the issue, it's not for women to do that for them. That's something else my brother believes most strongly about.

I don't know Buffy. I know I was once naive and nice FWR women helped me out. So I do try to give people who appear naive the benefit of the doubt.

But I am rapidly losing the will to live.

Voix, you think we're all wrong. Good for you. Thanks for you input. We'll take it under consideration.

Sorry, who's punishing men for "not having a choice" but to go out and earn themselves money and develop a career while women stayed at home and had no money or career and did the thankless endless task of raising their children?

Who is punishing men for not being involved in childcare and what form is this punishment taking?

if feminists are 'already fighting this battle', then they need to show increased recognition of female-on-male domestic abuse.

No, see, we don't. We don't need to show men anything. This is a point you're consistently confused on. What benefit would there be to us?

Should men be punished for not being more involved in childcare when they didn't really have any other choice?

Of course they have a choice. They just choose not to take it. Every man at any time, especially with new parental leave laws, can take career breaks, flexible hours etc. But they choose not to. Because patriarchy. You know, the thing feminists are fighting against.

As I have frequently pointed out to you, many men will benefit from the changes feminists are fighting for. But we don't need men to be onside. It would be easier for everyone if they were to step aside and let us work. Even better if they join it. But certainly not essential.

Thank you Line Runner - there's a first time for everything!

From the Urban Dictionary.......*An MRA is a troglodyte that writes “women’s rights --- ROFLOL!“ and “a woman is the useless skin around the vagina” on Urban Dictionary.

An MRA thinks that a woman should be locked in the kitchen and “slammed and beaten” (a quote). They are scared shitless that one day women might become truly equal and try to use all kinds of defamations and con artistry to keep women down*

Says it all - Tossers!! Nothing here about equality!!

Is femicide a discreet notion though like military deaths? That's just male deaths during war. Which looks a little low to me so is appreciate a link.

-Female-on-male violence is typically seen as less serious than male-on-female violence
By whom? You do realise women get longer and harsher sentences for violent crimes than men? Also when you actually look at the statistics, female-on-male violence actually is less serious. According to the office of national statistics : "Women were far more likely than men to be killed by partners/ex-partners." If you look here you will see that the vast vast majority of killings of both men and women are carried out by men.
-Women are typically seen as better caregivers than men, which seems to be reflected in custody disputes
Wrong. Women are expected to look after children, therefore are more likely to be SAHMs or the primary caregiver, therefore are given custody in disputes. Also, in the vast majority of cases where there is a dispute over custody, the man has either been absent or violent. The cases in which women are absent or violent are practically non-existent.
-Men may have to pay higher insurance than women
-No they don't.

Tess, thank you for your post. Very articulate.

Thanks for that Annie, I wouldn't have known where to look for those figures!

These data may be inaccurate, Peter, but:

Estimates of ""Lives deliberately extinguished by politically motivated carnage"
War Dead: 87,500,000
Military war dead:
33,500,000
Civilian war dead:
54,000,000 (note that this will include significant numbers of women)

An estimated 100,000,000 women are estimated to have been eliminated from the planet by femicide.

It's a horrible comparison, but women are being killed faster than men.

No we don't have conscription.
I'm not sure where does.
Some places have National Service still e.g. switzerland, israel. I think women do it there to though? They do in Israel anyway.