Why are feminists so threatened by the MRA movement?

But he is quite comical really, SevenZark. Slightly below Monty Python's professional argument and just slightly above automatic gainsaying.

I was thinking exactly the same capt. I can see precisely how the split came about

So I said:

"LaVoix out of interest why do MRAs always focus on female on male DV / sexual violence and never (IME) mention male on male DV / sexual violence?"

And LaVoix said:

"That's a valid question, and something I'm also concerned about. In my opinion it's because men interested in gender equality have been made to feel unwelcome in feminist groups"

You think that MRAs are not interested in male on male DV / sexual violence, because feminists have been mean?

I thought you were the voice of logic here?

LaVoix - he doesn't believe that ONLY men should campaign about the issue, he believes it is their responsibility to initiate such a campaign, as opposed to riding on the coattails of feminism.

He founded a support group in his area, after he struggled to access services after his experience, he took the initiative rather than just whinge about how unfair it all was.

And guess what - a local domestic abuse service for women actually offered him some advice when he was getting started - they supported what he was doing?!

So let's look at this conscription thing that MRAs always want to talk to women about.

You need to speak to other men about it. They are the ones in charge of wars. Get a movement going against it and women will back you.

Bless you. Win you over? How or why would we bother? You've had your questions answered, repeatedly and, like all MRAs you don't listen because you don't have to. This is male privilege in action.

I'm not surprised the groups at your uni split. Women's voices are heard less in mixed groups, and with voices like your ill informed one in the mix, I suspect the only answer, if the women wanted their voices heard was to take them away from yours.

Why do we need to win you over, OP?

I thought you came here to win us over?

You seem confused in your aim.

None of us think we will be able to "win you over" as we know what you are, and why you're here.

We are posting for the benefit of lurkers, as stated by annie, and in all truth because it's hard nto to respond when someone charges into your space and pokes you with a giant fucking great goady stick.

Why should we have to win you over? Is that what you came here for?

I am concerned with F on M intimate violence, however, given that 100 women have already been killed this year by men, 3 of them having been beheaded, you'll understand why I'm a little more preoccupied by M on F violence.

Men used to pay more for insurance because of actuarial tables. That men are now paying the same as women has skewed the tables and raised everyone insurance premiums.

Germicide is a discrete notion, especially in cultures where women's lives are values less than men's, so, like, everywhere.

Feminists don't hate men, MRAs really hate women. Some of them want us all to die in a fire. A few of them want to rape us to death with an iron bar.

Has a Klown Klaxon gone off somewhere on Reddit or something?

LaVoix - but the reality is, you're talking about such a small percentage of women, it's not really gender privilege. My definition of gender privilege, is when privilege benefits a significant majority of that gender, or indeed all members of it.

Exactly. What are MRAs going to do about male violence (as has already been asked on this thread)?

It is exactly the same question as is asked of feminists re female violence

I have been lurking and tbh have found this thread very amusing OP. Taking me back to the 1990s debating society. (Oh to be young and a fresher again)

I feel the responses on the thread have more than answered your questions in a logical and factual manner and posters have tried to inform and assist you.

I am sure you will not agree with this or more importantly I don't feel you wish to learn from the very learned women on this thread. That is your choice but in my opinion also displays one of the inherent issues in your argument.

Or indeed to friends and relatives.

I mean, FFS. Head in sand much. Or is it blinkers. Maybe both.

Where is this conscription happening?
In the old days when men and not women were conscripted it was not female privilege that prevented women being sent to war but men's idea that women were to be protected and kept at home with the children and keeping the home fires burning for when they returned victorious.

Peter is that in any way a serious question?

Who do I think is more able to change a violent system of control and power; those that control the system and benefit from it, or those that are controlled and subjugated by it? Tricky one. Not.

"Surely women who commit domestic violence are more 'privileged' than men who commit domestic violence, because it's more likely that their abuse will not be taken seriously by the police and by friends/relatives?"

You think females get taken seriously when they report incidents of DV / sexual violence to the police?

Hahahahahahhahahaahhaha

So you don't even watch the news and yet we must all listen carefully to your logical words of evidenced reasonableness.

LaVoix out of interest why do MRAs always focus on female on male DV / sexual violence and never (IME) mention male on male DV / sexual violence?

All oppressors are overthrown eventually.

Oh my word, there are none so blind as those who will not see.
How long have women been oppressed and where in the world have men been overthrown?

Petula, the two arn't comparable. Femicide is a very broad church. I'm not arguing that more woman arent killed then men, they are. I'm saying conscription which is a single tool of violence is more destructive as an individual mechanism. It was in response to an example of female privilage.

Annie I remember you in your pre-reform days!

When I saw you come onto a thread I used to twitch not any more!

This board also helped me coalesce how I felt about things and give it a name - radical feminism - thank you Dittany

Anyway i digress...

Beachcomber do you honestly subscribe that women are the least able to do something about it?

Depends what power model you subscribe to I suppose. I see power as cyclic. All oppressors are overthrown eventually.