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Why are feminists so threatened by the MRA movement?

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LaVoixDeLaRaison · 09/09/2014 18:47

When I was at university, the Gender Equality society (of which I was a member) chose to rename itself the Feminist society, arguing that the only way equality could be achieved was by focusing on women's issues. This led some other students to set up an MRA group, which was met with some resistance from the feminists. On this very board I see commenters angrily referring to MRAs as if they are all members of an evil homogeneous group.

Isn't it possible that men and women both suffer oppression from society in different ways? That the levels of this oppression are not necessarily equal, but are still important if we are to achieve equality? I often see feminists agreeing with certain 'male issues' (e.g. media stereotypes, elevated male suicide rate), but suggesting that feminism has other priorities, and if they want to do something about these issues then they should make their own groups. Why do they get criticized when they do exactly that? Better still, wouldn't feminism be better off if it didn't alienate so many men (and women, focused on a wider range of issues, and stopped pitting the sexes against one another?

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 09/09/2014 23:48

Because men already have all the rights, and that's most of the problem? Why do we need to make space for that? Feminists are fighting for equality. The fact that some men don't like what equality looks like for them is not my problem.

PetulaGordino · 09/09/2014 23:48

It's got nothing to do with the "quality of argument" and everything to do with coming here and saying "why aren't you feminists doing something about xyz problem for men" and not giving us any indication of what MRAs are doing for the feminist cause. Because all evidence points to them actively trying to set it back and regain more control over women

StevesBollockAnalogy · 09/09/2014 23:48

OP please can you tell us in what way men are oppressed that feminists don't care about. When I say feminists I mean true feminists and not your tumblr extremists. Your last statement could also be applied to feminism or any other 'group' with an opinion.

LaVoixDeLaRaison · 09/09/2014 23:47

CKDexterHaven

If you really believe that, then I can see why you would hate MRAs. The views of the people you've mentioned are absolutely deplorable. If all MRAs were like that, then I'd hate them too. But do you really think that the majority of MRAs agree with that? That this was why men's rights groups were formed? Thankfully, the vast majority of people know that those people are idiots, and treat them as such.

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scallopsrgreat · 09/09/2014 23:47

I'm not talking about "the quality of your argument" or other such nonsense. I'm talking about how you have expectations of what feminists should be doing, saying, campaigning for etc. I am just asking if you have the similar expectations for your own campaigning i.e. taking on women's problems, women's actual oppression in the same way you expect us to take on men's problems.

CaptChaos · 09/09/2014 23:46

Of course patriarchy is as damaging to men as it is to women, however that's not why feminists want rid of it, the fact that men would be far better off without it will just be a happy side effect of smashing it.

I have never seen a feminist happy that young men commit suicide, get prostate and testicular cancers, die in wars of their own devising, are abused by their partners etc. I've seen them not prioritise those things and be vilified for it by men. What I have seen though is MRAs threatening to rape women, laughing about IPV where women are the victims, telling women to die in fires. I have seen MRAs do illegal things to find personal information about women who don't agree with them and dare to speak out, they have then postered and posted that info as far as they can in order to intimidate women. I have seen the very few MRAs who have said that that isn't a good idea treated in the same way and called emasculating names.

It's not a small minority of the MRA movement who do this, it is central to the ethos of the movement. Any dissent from the party line is dealt with in a male fashion, with threats and violence.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 09/09/2014 23:45

Also, annie and so many more brilliant women have already answered your questions, many times over.

LaVoixDeLaRaison · 09/09/2014 23:45

scallopsrgreat

Where did I demand similar considerations from you? I've not asked anyone to justify what activism they may or may not do, I'm simply wondering why men's-rights discussions are met with such opposition in feminist circles, and wondered if there was a place for them in feminist groups.

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PetulaGordino · 09/09/2014 23:45

Well quite scallops. You want collaboration? Show us what you're doing to combat male violence against women and girls and then we'll talk

CKDexterHaven · 09/09/2014 23:45

Because men's rights groups aren't building domestic violence shelters for men, or raising funds for men-only cancers or campaigning against homophobia. Instead they are campaigning to stop feminist conferences, shut down feminist discussions on the internet and generally hang around talking about how Elliot Rodger was right and women are taking men's jobs, blah, blah, blah ...

There was a guy from one of those MRA sites who was invited to speak for men on an Australian breakfast show a while ago. He had blogged about how men should smash women's faces in and beat them to a pulp. There's that other guy (can't remember his name) who blogs about how the world would be a better place if his own daughters were dead and who falsely exposed an American student as a rape-accuser and then said he hoped the online abuse the woman subsequently received would make her blow her brains out. These men aren't the extreme; this is level of men's rights campaigning.

Be honest, Men's Rights really mean Anti-Women's Rights.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 09/09/2014 23:44

I like the inigo memes Thanks

AnnieLobeseder · 09/09/2014 23:43

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit - exactly the point I was trying to make with my Inigo Montoya memes. Which everyone is ignoring [sulks]

LaVoixDeLaRaison · 09/09/2014 23:42

JustTheRightBullets

I'm sorry that in your experience MRAs have universally seemed to be sexist and misogynistic, but it doesn't correspond with what I've seen. Annoyingly, the most idiotic voices tend to shout the loudest, and that leads to the misrepresentation of many groups. Your suggestions are exactly what I'd like to happen. I identify as a feminist and an MRA (I don't think the terms are mutually exclusive), and I hope that someday both groups can find common ground and work together towards gender equality.

scallopsrgreat

I'm still idly wondering why it's relevant. As soon as you can tell me how it affects the quality of my argument, I'd be more than happy to list off every piece of activism I've ever done, if you would like.

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scallopsrgreat · 09/09/2014 23:42

Oh the "it's not relevant" bit was in response that question.

Why is it not relevant OP, given that you are demanding similar considerations from us about men?

NormaStanleyFletcher · 09/09/2014 23:40

"I believe that self-styled MRAs systematically send abusive and threatening messages to many feminists. I just don't think the people who are genuinely interested in men's rights (and the wider scope of overall gender equality) should be tarred with the same brush as these idiots."

Ok. I'll bite. Can you ink me to a single MRA forum (or site with comments) where I can observe and engage with non tar brushed activists?

Zazzles007 · 09/09/2014 23:40

Oh here we go, here is the crux of the MRA movement in a nutshell, thinly disguised here.

Why are feminists so threatened by the MRA movement?
StevesBollockAnalogy · 09/09/2014 23:39

The OP has made it clear that what he/she/it is doing about it is completely irrelevant to this discussion, so they will not be answering the question.
Just like he they have been not answering questions for the whole fred.

scallopsrgreat · 09/09/2014 23:37

It's worth reading this thread just for the memes Grin.

Still idly wondering what you are doing about the global problem of male violence against women, OP?

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 09/09/2014 23:36

Men who fight for equal rights for all, and fight against patriarchal stereotypes that hurt us all, do not call themselves Mens Rights Activists. I'm beginning to think you don't actually know what MRAs groups do .

Zazzles007 · 09/09/2014 23:36

Hahaha, taking friend requests now [bows to applause].

JustTheRightBullets · 09/09/2014 23:35

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StevesBollockAnalogy · 09/09/2014 23:35

Zazzles I am actually in love with you Grin Please be my friend??

LaVoixDeLaRaison · 09/09/2014 23:34

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit
Well I hope that's not truly the case because that's not what I believe at all, but if that's the way that you see it, then so be it. I don't see what's offensive about men and women fighting for the rights of men and women. I'm sure a lot of us love both men and women in our lives, so I feel the division is harmful.

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Zazzles007 · 09/09/2014 23:34

No worries Hoppy, I've got them handy too Wink.

Zazzles007 · 09/09/2014 23:33

I like this one too.

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