5 questions for people who advocate legal prostitution

You took the rope there, Sopranos. It's like bigot bingo in here. Why not attempt actually to answer your own question in more than reactionary terms: Why don't women hang around on park benches waiting for a shag? Shall we start with the climate of male violence against women? And proceed to how women's sexual behaviour is regulated through prevailing attitudes to women and their status as accessories to male identity?

DWH, why is the problem of sexual exploitation of women something that women have to adapt to and accept? Why are you not prepared in any way to regulate, control or even have a discussion with, the men who can't take no for an answer? No woman will willingly sleep with you really is your problem. Why don't you think that men should accept this? Women accept this with ease.

Who thinks their happy? Everyone knows if they weren't being paid they wouldn't do it. Prostitution doesn't have a monopoly on low job satisfaction.

It's weird that people think heterosexual women make it hard for men to have sex.... (like they don't enjoy sex) but for some reason all these sex hating women are happy to fuck for money.

NO because gay men don't care if their partners are attractive or not.

And presumbaley all gay men are up for any kind of sex act no matter how degrading (which is of course one reason men go to prostitutes)

Not that I expect a rational reply from someone who believes women can hold their own in men's rugby.

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Well, that's me silenced. Good on you.

Not that I expect a rational reply from someone who believes women can hold their own in men's rugby.

That is exactly what I meant to say.

Why don't women hang around on park benches waiting for a shag?

I'm not sure there's a huge demand for male prostitutes for male clients given that sex in the gay community is far more easily procured than in the hetero community.

Sorry? Just for a second there it looked like you were reproducing the old 'gay men are more promiscuous than straight men' trope? Or is that what you actually meant to say?

It isn't completely unheard of for women to pay men for sex. One of the reasons why it's rarer is that women-as-a-class simply have less disposable income, of course. Mind you, women who use male escorts seem to (or did when I knew more about this) want them to escort them places less than for sex. I heard that some male escorts would get bookings to (eg) pretend to be a woman's new partner at a business social event or a family wedding or something - if the woman was either single or unable to admit she was gay, she would hire a man in order to make a better impression.
There are also men who want to appear in porn movies. Some of them do all right out of it, others less well.

I bet most men would financially support their sons or daughters if their only alternative was prostitution or sex work.

Most probably wouldn't if the only alternative was scrubbing toilets.

I'm not sure there's a huge demand for male prostitutes for male clients given that sex in the gay community is far more easily procured than in the hetero community.

Dadwashere, please answer my question. If you were one of the millions of women around the world who literally needed to be a prostitute to feed themselves and their children....If you had to suck a bit of cock or take one up the ass would it feel like a violation or just a job?

Men are expected to only have sex when they want to..so straight men don't fuck men.

Women are expected to have sex when they are told to so it doesn't matter that they are being expected to fuck 10 men a night that can't find a woman to do it for free. NO matter how disgusting, or not attracted to them they are. The woman's sexuality is not of anyone's interest. They are just fuck holes.

I'm not asking you why men don't have sex for money with women... It is not relevant because women don't pay for sex. Not an issue. But the possibility is there for men to sell sex to other men. Most men aren't taking them up on that offer. It's because men as a class have more money than women and because they are expected to only have sex with people they want to have sex with. So they have privilege of assuming prostituted women also only have sex when they want to.

If it were just a job- men would be doing it to

There are plenty of lesbians who are paid by men for sex. There are not Het men being paid for sex with men.

Although poverty and homelessness is part of the issue, it is not the whole one. Otherwise more poor men would be being prostituted with other men for sex. The reality is it is poor and homeless gay men that this happens to, not poor and homeless Het men.

why take a cock up their ass when they could just get a woman to do it for them and be her pimp.

I think this is a really important point: it is not necessarily an issue of women's agency.

It is too often an issue of exploitation - be it the organised criminal gangs kidnapping and trafficking women, the gangs grooming vulnerable girls in Rochdale, or migsy's "friend" lending her money when she's desperate, and then getting her into prostitution to pay back the debt.

It is this exploitation that bothers me - if you legalise it, you are legitimising men buying sex from women; the sale of women's bodies becomes a more attractive and lucrative prospect for traffickers. Women become a commodity.

There is evidence from the Swedish police that traffickers do not really bother with Sweden any more - it is not seen as an attractive prospect to them compared to other countries where prostitution has been legalised/decriminalised. IMO, that wins the argument for the Swedish Model: criminalise the buyer, decriminalise the seller.

Beyond that, as to why men don't offer their bodies up for sale the way women do, I'm none the wiser.

The public park we stumbled into was a night haunt of casual sex for gay men, leave it at that.

That out of the way I am not sure what you mean by 'the way women do'? From memory 97% of sex workers are female, 2% are males catering to male clients and 1% males catering to female clients. I suppose entire books could be written speculating as to why the ratios work that way. I suspect as long as women are less inclined/able to buy sex and men more inclined to supply it gratis, male prostitution will remain a tiny minority of the whole

But its hardly for a want of supply of willing young men, who on earth could think that? I had plenty of cougar claws in me when I was young, I was 'treated' by them I suppose but I was not paid, I doubt I could have ever made a living out of it.

Sure but most people are heterosexual, for me having sex with a man I was unattracted to would be preferable to sleeping with a woman, but I do see your point.

Why can't they have sex with men sopranos? There are men willing to pay for sex with men.

Do you think female prostitutes are sexually interested in the men they are having sex with?

A vast number of men would quit their jobs in an instant if there was genuine demand from women to pay them for sex. There isn't.

One of the things I have heard some women in prostitution say over and over again is - they were taking it/getting it for free, so I figured I may as well make money out of it.

I have read even pro prostitution "sex work" types saying this. Says it all for me.

Although maybe men go in to pimping because they are just better at management than women.

Do you quickly cover your children's eyes and rush them away from scenes of shelf stacking as well?

I think men don't take up sex service as a rule because 1) if they don't feed their kids someone else (their mother) will do it. So the only reason important enough to do it would be addiction.

2. why take a cock up their ass when they could just get a woman to do it for them and be her pimp.

I can speculate that it was a pretty horrible experience - not something you'd want your children (girls? Boys?) to witness, nor something you'd ever want to be part of yourself.

That's all I can speculate, though.

Beyond that, as to why men don't offer their bodies up for sale the way women do, I'm none the wiser.

Not sure I want to go into details. . It would be more sanitary to simply say that the solid foundation for the sale of anything is based off people not giving comparable products or services away for free.