ISIS Fighters - Living the MRA Dream?

Capt - If you're saying that one thing makes them not similar to MRAs, then surely the hundreds of other things I pointed out does. If they had beheaded a woman, would that make them more likely to be MRAs IYO?

So if a murderer kills men and women, but more women, that makes him more likely to be an MRA as he's more similar to them?

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My boys are interested in the things that will affect them as they get older and some aspects might be considered mens rights. They are not activists so technically not an issue. The implication that any man interested in promoting men would be interested in joining IS is like saying every feminist believes 90% of men should be killed off. It is shoddy and lazy thinking targeting a group you don't like and then painting them as terrorists. Because one British woman says she wants to behead a Brit or a Yank doesn't men all Islamic women are like that.

I don't like the men who front the MRAs but I don't like a lot of the prominent radical feminists either. Those who actually do things rather than spitting childish rhetoric are the ones I am interested in listening to on both sides.

IS are monsters.

Monsters do not have any preference.

Women, child and men are bring killed.

All through religious history's women have been treated like dirt and worthless. It's one of the reasons I can't fuckng stand it.

Islam is rightly so under the current spot light for it.

IS doesn't = MRA , IS = a fucking terrible terrible revolution that will take man woman and child back to the dark ages.

I'm sorry op but I think your post trying to entwine MRA and IS together for a fem board topic is in bad taste.

It takes a special sort of poster to turn this around to focus only on one murdered man whilst ignoring the thousands of murdered men, women and children. Think about it.

Is this a wind up? An innocent man is beheaded and you want to make it about feminism?

ISIS is killing thousands, unfortunately I have seen pictures of a beheaded child. They are also forcing women to become second class citizens.

And you want to make it about one white male?

Why do some people believe that only women will suffer in an extreme patriarchal setup such as that envisaged by the likes of IS and Elliot Rodger?

The killing of men and the rape of women are inextricably linked and caused by the same attitudes which underpin this type of patriarchy in which men compete against each other to obtain status for themselves(being feared = status) as well as to gain access to women who are seen only in terms of sex, breeding and labour. That is why Elliot Rodger killed more men than women (although had he gained access to the sorority that would have been a different matter).

We had this same discussion over ER where feminists were criticised for making it all about them when they had the temerity to point out what ER had blatantly shown in his manifesto: that he was a misogynist. How dare they when more men had died than women? But feminism has always known that men suffer under patriarchy too. It's just anti feminists like to make out that we only care about women.

To be an MRA in the first place, you have to be a sociopathic, inadequate shitbag, end of. Not all MRAs are interested in religion, sure - some prefer junk science like evolutionary psychology to justify their belief that women are inferior.

This is a feminist board. Nobody is saying that bad stuff doesn't happen to men. Obviously it does. But it isn't a feminist concern. A bit like how a socialist board wouldn't care about private school fee increases.

They beheaded a man.

Funny how that's the news story, not the everyday shocking abuse od girls and women. Too common, too normal to be headline news.

I think chicken BTW.

Capt
Surely even a theoretical discussion has to based on some kind of factual base otherwise there is no real point.

So if the OPs position is based on facts what are they and if they are not based on facts what is the point? You might just as well discuss whether aliens would prefer chicken or pizza.

CaptChaos I was responding to the OP. Please stop projecting behaviours, thoughts and words onto me that are not mine.

In response to you, there are no words those are dreadful events, that should not be happening.

SolidGoldBrass I have come across a few sociopathic characters, if they are being attracted into ISIS, then those that are also attracted into the group will have a horrible time. Which will mean the problem is not MRA, the problem is with the personality disordered who happen to be Males.

MRAs quite often hate and despise other men, To be actively involved in the MRA scene, you need to be an inadequate, sociopathic wanker - everything that's wrong in your life is someone else's fault. Men are divided, in MRA belief, into Alphas (what they all see themselves as, only those female cunts and other men won't recognise this and worship them in the way they deserve. Despite the fact that they are usually living in their mum's spare room and doing some minimum wage job...) and Betas/manginas/libtards who are also The Enemy. So it would still be acceptable, to a wanker who had initially been tempted into radical Islam by its misogyny, to attack and kill other men who are other.

ok, what are your thoughts about IS murdering, raping, forcibly marrying, forcibly converting and kidnapping hundreds of women then? Because you seem to be fixated on one thing, which, while it is heinous doesn't make the others disappear.

If you're saying that one thing makes them not similar to MRAs, then surely the hundreds of other things I pointed out does. If they had beheaded a woman, would that make them more likely to be MRAs IYO?

I didn't imply that you had stated those words, btw, what I implied was that your inability to comment on the example of hundreds of women being harmed in favour of citing that beheading people being heinous seemed off. I'm sure you'll now clear that up.

CaptChaos, if you are going to imply that I have stated those words, can you please quote me in bold letters. As you will be unable to find that quote, please in future do not attribute your words and thoughts, as coming from me in future! many thanks.

Right, so the beheading of a man trumps the suffering of hundreds of women. Thanks for that.

I think it is heinous to behead any person. I was pointing out the gender, because it would be odd for a MRA to behead a Man, seeing as they are all about Men's rights.

I also think the pp who stated ISIS beheaded a Man, has a point.

Really? Do you also think the pp who said that IS have been involved in mass rapes, forced marriages, kidnapping of women and forcing them to convert doesn't have a point? Or is the point that IS have committed atrocities to many many women pale into insignificance for you when compared to the, admittedly heinous, act of beheading a man?

Am I allowed to debate/agree/disagree, I am not sure if I am a feminist OP?

I think only religious Alpha Male types would be attracted to joining ISIS.

I also think the pp who stated ISIS beheaded a Man, has a point.

AICM.... no one. Not even the OP. Has said that actual famous MRAs have gone to join IS, what we have discussed is how the IS ethos is pretty similar to the MRA ethos, and how, if you're a man of an MRA bent (along with the religious thing) then an organisation like IS is probably your wet dream. I very much doubt that wankpellets like Elam* actually have the courage to do anything other than harass and intimidate women from the safety of his own home office, however, he does like to incite violence in others.

Did you want names and addresses? This is a theoretical discussion, want an explanation of what one of those is?

I understand the argument about some men being drawn to a life (of perceived) action and excitement and if you said is James Bond the living the MRA dream I would have agreed with you completely.

If you had said that ISIS is the ultimate example of organised religions hated of women I would have agreed with you.

I do not believe that MRAs want to go to Iraq and murder children, murder female dentists and behead western journalist because that is what you are saying they want to do.

Please post evidence that backs up your claims.

I agree with the OP. Violent interpretations of mythology are right up the average MRA's street and I can definitely see why the horrible little tossers want to join Isis. It's also true that aggressive Christianity appeals to MRAs and woman-haters - look at all those vile American fucknuggets promoting 'fetal rights' and banging on about 'Biblical values' which support beating their female partners, abstinence-based sex ed, rape myths etc.

MRA= Mens Rights Activists Knitted.