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"Clever girl" - I'm pregnant

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WorkingBling · 19/08/2014 21:39

I recently found out I'm pregnant but had to get an early scan. I sent my mum a text afterwards to say all looks good and to confirm due date. She replied with "that's great. Great excitement here. Clever girl."

Could someone explain to me why that "clever girl" has annoyed me so much? I think it's at least part being called girl when i am nearly 40, married and pregnant with my second child. But that's not it entirely. Is it the assumption that getting pregnant makes me clever? Please help me articulate

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lildupin · 21/08/2014 21:54

I think it's patronising. I got called "stupid, stupid stupid girl" by my GP when I got pregnant while I was waiting to go to Oxford to start my degree Confused I'm not sure which is worse!

Poofus · 21/08/2014 21:46

I think it would annoy me also because it sounds as though becoming pregnant might be more of an achievement than other things (career, success, etc etc) you may have done in your life. To my mind there's a hint of "you've finally fulfilled your promise!" about it.

Unless of course your mum has been saying "clever girl" every time you've done anything. Always possible, I guess!

YouAreAMouseInAMaze · 20/08/2014 20:44

It's annoying because it is:

a) Patronising - you are clearly an actual woman, not a girl - and;
b) Illogical - you don't have to be remotely clever to get pregnant.

It would have annoyed me too. I would also have complained about it to someone else and not said anything to my mum, as you are.

WorkingBling · 20/08/2014 20:38

I agree buffy. It always makes me think "I am definitely onto something here, 'they' are trying to stop me"

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WorkingBling · 20/08/2014 20:00

This is funny. I am not bothered by her. I am trying to get a clear analytical view of why the phrase bothered me. Which many people have provided useful insight on.

If I was upset with my mum and wanted to addres it I would have posted in relationships or AIBU. I was just looking for some informed opinions.

As often happens however, this has just served to remind me again how women are expected to stY in our places at all time. I can't even come onto a part of an Internet forum where women discuss issues of sexist language and culture without being told to calm down.

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ThatBloodyWoman · 20/08/2014 15:18

It wouldn't bother me at all coming from my mum.

But, then, although I didn't feel particularly clever getting pregnant, I couldn't get over how clever I felt when I produced a baby that I'd made in my body!!!

Sleepyfergus · 20/08/2014 15:12

She's your mum who was probably chuffed to bits that all was okay and used a daft term that yes, if you analyse it, is wrong. But she was probably caught up in the moment and I cruelly think you're being a but ott about it (personal opinion)

Have you spoken to her about it if it bothers you so much?

WhatWitchcraftIsThis · 20/08/2014 15:00

Yes OP please can you stop over analyzing sexism on MN so we can have precisely fuck all to talk about and MN can implode and netmums can take over the interwebz?

oh and purple could you maybe stop underanalyzing things?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/08/2014 14:56

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CaptChaos · 20/08/2014 14:48

There's always one!

They do seem to be lining up to take shots at FWR posts this week though.....

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 20/08/2014 14:43

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ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 20/08/2014 12:59

Purple, it's pretty clear OP is posting on here to avoid upsetting her mum.

bohoec · 20/08/2014 10:36

YY to the "well done" comments Confused
It made me rage during my first pregnancy.

WhatWitchcraft is right, some people are a bit weird and prone to sexist remarks when faced with a pregnant woman. They mean well though, I think. Maybe as a society we're just not very good at knowing the right thing to say.

Purpleroxy · 20/08/2014 10:31

Overanalysing majorly. She's happy about it. She used old fashioned words. I hope you are going to let this go.

twoweeks · 20/08/2014 10:27

I had a son first. When I then had a daughter, I was called 'clever' by various colleagues, neighbours, friends etc. I found it utterly bizarre.

My best friend, who had a very quick, no-intervention water birth was called 'clever' by all and sundry. She made a point of saying 'lucky!' Every single time.

People can be most odd about this.

WhatWitchcraftIsThis · 20/08/2014 10:23

I think I got "clever girl" from some of dh's friends.. I definitely got "well done". Confused

People are weird (and sexist) especially when you are pregnant.

cailindana · 20/08/2014 09:00

"Clever girl" is one of those parent phrases that pops out without any thought, isn't it? I think parents say it so often it loses meaning until it just becomes just a bunch of sounds that expresses approval and satisfaction.

On a (vaguely) related note I had two slightly weird experiences this week - on Monday my best friend said "good girl, well done," in a sort-of jokey way for something I'd done that she'd been teaching me and I was so mortifyingly pleased I had to run away. Then yesterday my aerobics teacher asked my name and when I told her she said (very sincerely) "Ooh X, that's a lovely name." Again, I was ridiculously pleased. Two patronising things that you would normally only say to a child and I was delighted, perhaps because such words would never ever pass my parents' lips :(
Anyway, what I'm ramblingly saying is, it's a parent thing. It's patronising, yes, and slightly sexist but meant in a good way. I think if you admire the person and want their approval (as I do with my bf and my aerobics teacher) then even though it's patronising it still feels sincerely meant and the sentiment overrides the words.

hollie84 · 20/08/2014 07:42

Get used to it, it will be a constant stream of "good girls" from HCPs now Angry

PastaBow · 20/08/2014 07:39

Ugh. When I was pregnant with my first my DH's aunt texted 'well done, clever you' to DH!!!!!

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 20/08/2014 07:35

YANBU.

Is your husband also aclever boy?

Do you keep your brains in your ovaries?

tribpot · 19/08/2014 22:45

The phrase 'clever girl' calls to mind the moment in Jurassic Park where Bob Peck realises he's been outflanked by the velociraptors just before one moves in for the kill. .

I would ask your mum if that's what she meant.

HumblePieMonster · 19/08/2014 22:37

True. My toddler married another toddler and they have a toddler of their own. Very sweet, all living together in their own house and driving cars, going to shopping by themselves and making their own decisions about bedtimes.
Its a parent thing.

Lottiedoubtie · 19/08/2014 22:08

My dad snorted with laughter at the idea of me being a grown up not long ago... Despite the fact I'm married, pregnant and earn more PA than his very grown up employees (I have a more responsible job as well). I've been living independently of his support for almost ten years.

I think it's a parent thing Grin

WorkingBling · 19/08/2014 22:06

Oh no. She definitely didn't mean anything by it. It's why i posted here - it felt like one of those casually sexist things people say without realising how offensive it is. I'm not actually annoyed with her. She's just being who she always is.

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