So, not everyone's a feminist

BTW - I'm out.

Did he talk about porn TeWi? Without referring back, I seem to remember that a tiny part of a conversation was quoted by someone that had already decided were the conversation was going that was, to the effect, "computers are only good for watching porn on". That sounds suspiciously like a really poor and crass attempt at humour to me. But, perhaps you are like Freud and you have already decided from all your previous experiences how all new experiences are and don't need to know any more. Misogyny is the only possible explanation. Hang him.

And therein lies my point; if you are convinced that the world is full of men wanting to remind women of their place then all you will see is men trying to put women in their place... and you'll see it before it even happens.

Maybe it because we have experienced the behaviour of men like the op in describing far too often thankfully though not always making a complaint is now acceptable and not something we just have to put up with

or maybe in your world women like to invite men round to their homes on the pretence of wanting work done and what they really want is to discuss watching porn online

What is your possible explanation that makes talking about porn in front of a stranger perfectly reasonable then?

Forget about class, we've already established that doesn't make sense and is extremely rude to working class people.

I posted in the current Ched Evans and Foetus' rights threads and have read some of your contributions buffy across those and other threads. What's creepy about that? You do realise 'creepy' is a word women use to shut down men?

I am not twisting anything, but I don't see a need to go back to those to quote directly. However, if you'd like to talk about twisting, then we could reflect on the fact that, of all the people on this thread, only the OP really knows what happened; not the faintest shred of actual context is present beyond the bare mechanics of the setting. A collection of FWR posters can find no explanation for those quotes other than bare-faced misogyny, so that must be what it was and so there is universal agreement: his employer should be notified; his online reputation trashed; his potential for sexual violence can be slyly referred to ("I'd feel very uncomfortable being alone in a house with a man that felt entitled to make those sort of comments...").

I'm not an MRA - any movement that seeks to equate male circumcision with FGM deserves all the derision in the world.

"and sometimes people deliberately set out to needle"

Really?

Do you think it's normal for a service provider to needle their client?

Do you think he'd needle a man? Or do you think he'd treat the person who is paying his wages with a bit of respect in the absence of a vagina?

Men who do that in that situation, are misogynist dicks who think they have the right to remind women that they are superior to us. Men who defend them are generally misogynist dicks who are too cowardly to come out and tell us we're inferior to them, but are delighted that other men do it for them.

As for the class based stereotypes, research has consistently shown for at least a couple of decades, that working class men spend more time with their kids, do more housework and more childcare than their sexist middle class bro's. So much for your snobby stereotypes.

possibly just thinks some people here are terminally misguided and need a more rational perspective, but i may be being too charitable

oh indeed

glovender's POV has little to do with the actual scenario in the OP, other than to dismiss it as an "ill-judged remark", and everything to do with analysing the characters of posters here

i wonder why that is?

Glovender: why do you think a person who had come to do a job in your home would say to a woman he doesn't know that he only uses his computer for porn?

Just why would he do that?

it's considered best practice around here to take up points you have issue with on the relevant threads themselves, rather than drag them across to other threads

to respond to your point about the responses on this thread however, your "ill-judged remark" is for many women yet another sexist put-down that reminds women of their place in the world and you are suggesting that a woman should have to put up with this in her own home? it's not getting him the sack - he works for himself so if he wants to go around offending people who are trying to give him money for his professional service (rather than to hear his sexist opinions) then that's his lookout

It doesn't say anything about my view Petula, although it obviously says something about my character. Well, maybe it's a view to believe that discussion within a sterile environment is pointless... No matter.

What I could suggest is that there's little difference between not turning the other cheek - as many of this threads posters are advocating - when confronted by sexist plasterers and not turning the other cheek when one comes across a collection of people advocating:

• For female offenders escaping custodial sentences, but being against the rehabilitation of male offenders when their offence relates to sexual violence.
• For the termination of babies at any moment prior to actual birth because a woman always has the right to do whatever the heck she likes.
• For getting someone the sack after an ill-judged remark.

You do correctly highlight the desultory practice of trying to sell bacon to vegetarians, though. I shall desist.

No glovender you take it to another forum and tell them they're professionally offended overthinkers in an extremely patronising manner instead. Don't imagine for a moment that you're the first to have done so though

What does that say about your worldview?

I am a bit confused by your comment?

It's a potential response to the comment that the OP is there 'cracking the whip'.

But it's an interesting point you raise Petula.

No doubt we're all as flawed as each other. But I wonder if it's relevant that I don't take my personal worldview to a forum of like-minds in order that we can all sit around and agree with each other?

No but it is perfectly acceptable to eject someone with views you find abhorrent from your own home. Particularly when those views correspond with the views of people who pose a direct threat to your safety.

Justthe: There are loads of times that I didn't make a fuss and should have, which I regret. I wish I'd had the confidence I have now when I was younger.

Exactly this.

Touché Petula

But then I'm not the one calling for people to get sacked am I?

But you can see the truth, of course, can't you glovender?