Abortion in Ireland, proof of being suicidal

She also described as young & vulnerable

I can't imagine what she's been through. This could well have destroyed her life. State-sanctioned assault with no recourse.

Surely the state should owe someone a greater duty of care than simply keeping them alive.

Sickening. The poor woman.

I'm finding pregnancy all kinds of difficult and really want my baby. Being forced to go through it against your will with no positive end result for her is like some kind of cruel torture!

After I had ds4 I had post natal psychosis, spent time in a psych unit and for a long time was not well. At one point I thought I might be pregnant again, without a shadow of a doubt I knew I would have a termination. As it was I had a very early miscarriage, or at least I thunk I did. Period two weeks late (I am never late) but I was terrified to take a preg test and have it become real... Anyway I wonder had I have had to plead my case would I have been allowed?

Not only would I have been dead and the foetus but four children would have been left without a mother.

I thank fuck I live in England And am horrified by the situation in Ireland and America etc.

But hey the babies are ok, fuck the women that have to gestate them.

You're not your.

Nice, your pleased a woman was forced to carry a pregnancy she didn't wan, glad she was forced to Give birth and then go through what she's been through?

Nice.

Fucking stupid barbaric system.

You are glad a woman has Been forced to stay pregnant and give birth against her will? Well arent you a love?!!

Of not if

No I don't think a panel if assessors are able tell if someone is suicidal sometimes they will be wrong. I am however glad that they were right on this occasion and both mother and baby are alive.

Forcibly taken into care?

I mean if the woman decides she can and wants to keep the baby will they let her?

What a mess.

According to the BBC, the baby has been taken into care. Where it will no doubt be adopted by one of the judges that forced it's mother to go through this whole charade.

to misquote Seven

Oh well she didn't kill herself that's ok. Never mind the months of mental anguish she must have suffered and the c section she had to have. And what about the baby now is the woman to raise it or to go through the trauma of giving it up for adoption.

The stress of this may STILL cause her to commit suicide. Maybe the only reason she didn't was because family or friends Sat with her and kept her safe.

Ffs this is barbaric.

So as long as she doesn't kill herself before the baby is born that's all well and good?

That really does reduce the woman to nothing more than an incubator.

Wow, what a choice

Forced to give birth or die

Makes me ashamed to be Irish

Soontobesix, are you saying that this is therefore a good system?? That a panel of assessors are able to tell whether someone will actually carry out a suicide attempt successfully?

Lrd I am not saying she wasn't suicidal rather she didn't commit suicide before the baby was born so the abortion wasn't necessary to save her life at the moment in time.

Well no not like that at all because she didn't commit suicide and is alive . Where as the woman in your witch analogy would be dead either way.

SoonToBeSix

"The panel was right in their assessment though if you look at the facts. The woman didn't commit suicide"

This is like the witch test in the olden days isn't it? If she floats she's a witch burn her. If she drowns she wasn't a witch.

So if the woman had committed suicide, that would have been good proof that she was suicidal and she should have had the abortion but whoops it's too late now she's dead.

Oh, how awful.

soon - but we don't know yet. Some people are suicidal for months or years before finally committing suicide.

She went on hunger strike.

Not the action of someone who is feeling in tip top mental health really, is it?

What they seem to have told her is that feeling suicidal doesn't constitute a mental illness and so, tough, remain pregnant. We could do a whole other thread on how women's mental health problems are written off by the medical establishment.

The panel was right in their assessment though if you look at the facts. The woman didn't commit suicide , I am not suggesting she didn't feel like it though.

A suicidal person would probably be denied freedom to travel, at least by air

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