Abortion in Ireland, proof of being suicidal

"Do the posters calling it an outrage and horrifying really believe aborting a vulnerable womens baby at 23+ weeks would really be a good idea in the long run?"

Yes. Yes yes yes yes. It was the final fucking chance for someone to do something that was actually in this poor woman's interests and yet again she was failed

This woman has been tortured

At every single step (including the rape) someone has made a decision that puts her firmly at the bottom of the pile

Thanks for posting that, no matter how depressing it was reading it. That poor woman, I wonder if she'll ever get over it. It's unlikely her child will.

if you are interested in this case, this is a really useful overview

Umm, because I'm old and that's the Irish name for Ireland.

it should be Éire, but I mostly can't be arsed to do the accent.

Completely off topic, but why do you refer to Ireland as Eire, Capt?

Anyone on twitter can join the protest online using #repealthe8th #notavessel #imnotavessel

It is utterly horrific.

I don't think I understood quite how important abortion was until I was pregnant and had a baby. Doing all that for a child you don't want? I would be suicidal too.

Well no not like that at all because she didn't commit suicide and is alive . Where as the woman in your witch analogy would be dead either way.

Quite difficult to commit suicide when you are strapped to a bed and being force fed.

Yes, it seems that they strung her along until the baby was viable and then forced her to have a c section.

Grimble, that would be good. I hope they don't let this drop, this is exactly the situation the 2013 act was supposed to stop, nothing has changed. Nothing.

Am I reading this right? She was forced to agree to a c section at 25 weeks rather than a termination? I am so angry I am lost for words

True Capt. Perhaps the campaigners who are holding demos won't let this drop and we will get to hear….

That's if the baby is allowed to stay in Ireland Grimble, there seems to be some doubts about that.

I wonder if we ever get to hear how the baby is. If it has any disabilities, which is possible, I'll doubt we will hear a squeak from the authorities.

Gosh i'll back out slowly so......

Survive is a bit of a loose term though, the outcomes for babies at 25 weeks aren't exactly stellar. If this was really about protecting the baby, they would have forced the woman to stay in hospital longer, and delivered later. But then there would have been more time for people to find out about it and intervene.

Funnily enough so do I captchaos, no need for the implication that I believe otherwise. However a child that can survive outside the womb takes equal precedence in my opinion.

There was no implication. I think I was fairly explicit.

Funnily enough so do I captchaos, no need for the implication that I believe otherwise. However a child that can survive outside the womb takes equal precedence in my opinion.

That women should have been given an abortion when she first sought it. And even when she attempted suicide at 16 weeks. But not at 25 weeks.

Cork.

She was raped before she arrived in Eire.
She discovered she was pregnant at 8+4 weeks. She wanted to abort at that point. She stated that she would rather die than carry her rapist's child.
She attempted suicide when she was 16 weeks pregnant.
She had been told that she wasn't suicidal.
She was then admitted at 24 weeks to a psychiatric hospital having expressed suicidal ideation, where she was told that she was too far pregnant to be allowed to abort now.
She went on hunger strike and thirst strike and was forcibly rehydrated.
She was lied to about being able to abort and was forced to have a c section.
She is an asylum seeker. Her English isn't good. She was financially unable to go to the UK to have an abortion within the deadline, she might also have not been able to continue her asylum claim in Eire if she left.
The baby, if it lives, may not be able to remain in Ireland, as it won't necessarily be an Irish citizen.
She has been continually lied to and treated like a vessel by the Irish authorities, even though the 2013 law was supposed to stop this kind of thing happening, so yes, pretty barbaric and horrifying really.

And yes, I wholeheartedly think that aborting a vulnerable womens baby at 23+ weeks would really be a good idea in the long run? certainly for the woman. But then, I believe that women are autonomous full human beings.

It wouldn't just be an Irish position that, once past 24 weeks, she would be unable to abort unless there was a serious threat to her life.

The tragedy is that she was unable to abort at 8 weeks onwards after discovering the pregnancy.

She tried to commit suicide at 16 weeks, after being told by a counselor that she would have to travel to England for an abortion.

Sorry just read the IT link saying she discovered her pregnancy at 8 weeks and she stated at the time she didn't want to continue with the pregnancy.
Earlier reports said she only discovered the pregnancy in her second trimester.

So it should never have gotten as far as it did and I'm so sorry for her.

I still do not agree with aborting a viable child though.

I am waiting for more information on this case before I form an opinion as it the information at the moment seems quite garbled.

Firstly she didn't discover the pregnancy till she was in her second trimester so anywhere up to 28 weeks. We know she was sectioned at 25 weeks. We also know she was on a hunger strike for around 1 week. So lets assume she discovered the pregnancy at 23 weeks, she was assessed that week, denied an abortion and went on hunger strike. Baby was then delivered by section.

My understanding is when the women discovered the pregnancy her pregnancy was far enough advanced for the baby to survive outside her womb. While I am pro-choice I am deeply uncomfortable with aborting a 23+week old baby.

I cannot disagree with the outcome. Do the posters calling it an outrage and horrifying really believe aborting a vulnerable womens baby at 23+ weeks would really be a good idea in the long run?

Also to be the posters saying she could have traveled to another country and had a late term abortion - I do not believe this to be true. For the most part countries have restrictions on late term abortions to minimise their occurrence and she would have in all likelihood have to be reassessed in whatever country she went too allowing her pregnancy to become even further advanced.