Why the fucking fuck is that rapist Ched Evans being released anyway?

You can have more than one reason for an opinion, MQ.

"So Ched Evans should not be re-signed in football, or any job where he could be involved with children. The law has found him guilty & I believe his victim. He needs to find another career"

But practically speaking I'd imagine its very simple to organise his schedule at the club so he's not involved in it.
I think the crb/community argument is a flimsy enough one and also just provides sympathisers ammo.
If you say "he shouldn't play for Sheffield utd because it would mean being involved with children/community programmes" then it's quite easily rebuffed by the club taking measures to make sure he's not involved in any of them.
If you then move in to a moral objection which I think has stronger grounds, then sympathisers will say "hold on a minute ago you claimed it was due to worries about non-footballing roles of the player, now that's been dealt with it turns out you just don't want him playing regardless"

If ultimately his job is to play football, then he shouldn't mind about playing it in some minor league semi-pro team, should he? Holding men who perpetrate violence against women up as some kind of role model shows how utterly redundant the criminal justice system is when it comes to VAWG.

Yy capt.

I also disagree that "ultimately his job is to play football" - his job has a lot of aspects including being a public face of his club etc. I also think Suarez should be investigated for assault and serve time if he is found guilty.

Exactly!

As it bloody well should, otherwise what's the point of them?

Failing a CRB check would disqualify a lot of people from a lot of jobs.

Interesting piece in the New Statesman here about how convicted rapists shouldn't be given a second chance at being hailed as heroes. No matter what you want to believe Mengog, what is happening here is vile.

Yes, Mengog, I agree all footballers should be crb checked.

Capt - Whether it's a problem or not, football at its top level is morally corrupt. The issues is no one cares as long as the money roles in.

The FA, I don't believe, have any actual power to sanction a player for non football related behaviour. If they do, then it's not used, probably due to uncertain legal ground.

The blades aren't doing a public service. However, if Sunderland, Wigan or Real Betis signed him would it still be an issue. The petition just deals with Sheffield United.

Henrietta - All footballers should be CRB checked then in the interests of fairness.

Or if the team visit a school or do a community event, he doesn't go. Ultimately he is there to play football.

Agree with you Henrietta it sets a really bad example to youngsters.

However he will patted on the back by the boys club, no doubt. With perhaps a caveat about getting caught.

Sigh.

I agree that post-offence people should be allowed to find employment. I also strongly agree that certain types of employment should be restricted. As has been mentioned, he wouldn't pass a crb check to become a teacher, as he shouldn't.

Something that doesn't appear to have been mentioned (apologies if it has) is the amount of youth work footballers do.

I work at a SEN school in Sheffield. It is quite usual for players/coaches etc from Sheff Utd/Wednesday to come in to school to meet the students, talk about their jobs, health, fitness etc. There is also a work experience scheme that a high proportion of the older students attend at the clubs. This is all really great for the students and players alike.

But if Ched Evans gets re-signed and is scheduled to appear at school, or have involvement with these very vulnerable students I know I won't be the only member of staff to protest very vigorously.

Please don't think I believe he is a threat to the students themselves: that's not what I'm saying. I also wouldn't want Suarez to be involved; but not because I'm worried he'd bite them. Footballers are huge role models to many of the students. They want to be them, and they act like them, copy them in the playground; hero worship them. Like it or not, that's part of the deal of being a high level sporting professional.

So Ched Evans should not be re-signed in football, or any job where he could be involved with children. The law has found him guilty & I believe his victim. He needs to find another career.

Sorry, haven't read full thread so don't know if it has been linked before but here is a petition to stop him playing for Sheffield www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/kevin-mccabe-chairman-of-sheffield-utd-football-club-refuse-to-reinstate-ched-evans-as-a-player-at-sheffield-united

If we held footballers to the same standard as teachers or barristers there wouldn't be many left. That includes club owners to members of FIFA.

Why would this be a problem? People in the public eye should at least adhere to basic codes of behaviour, especially when their sport's ruling body demands that they do!

The argument that 'another club will snap him up if the blades don't is ridiculous. It's almost like you're suggesting that the blades are doing everyone some kind of public service, which is bollocks.

Yes, the behaviour of the victim before, during and after the rape should not be relevant. She could be the biggest, crassest mercenary bitch on the planet but that does not make it legal to rape her.

You aren't allowed to rape anybody. The law protects us all, not just the worthy amongst us.

i agree with you on the rehabilitation eelisaveta and of course for someone to be refused any employment or housing would not be helpful

but as justtherightbullets has outlined above, his actions haven't demonstrated that he is suitable for such a high-profile role on release

Why is this footballer given the benefit of more doubt than the average convicted rapist?

Yet another good reason to take my little boy to women's football matches. The male game is riddled with corruption, mysogyny and frankly a bunch of men who in the main may be lovely chaps, but will allow cheats, adulterers, johns and rapists in their ranks unquestioned and STILL expect to be role models to the nations youth.

So what if the girl is mercenary? Ok it's not a desirable character trait, but doesn't mean it's suddenly ok to get raped.

We need to move away from classes of women amongst whom it is somehow ok to rape.

I think the system of serving part of the sentence in custody and part out under supervision makes sense rather than releasing them with no oversight. When someone is given X years you have to think of that as the total, with some served in the community. Evans will also be on the Sex Offend Register for a long time and will be monitored tightly through that.

Whilst I agree that the sentences for Rape are light, once someone has served their time I don't think they have to be given an opportunity for rehabilitation. To refuse them any job or housing for ever only increases the risk. What we want is for this man never to repeat his crime.

absolutely, and the employer's responsibility towards other staff is a really good point noted earlier

Oh I'm not saying that's how it happens in real life.
More my agreement with the tape crisis centres position.
I while heartedly oppose any legal bar to these people pursuing their chosen career, I'd hope that consumers and employers would think twice before engaging with them.

i don't know... look at roman polanski

Can't argue with the rape crisis centre's position at all.

I'd be hugely against any legal bar to him playing professional football but I'd hope that no club would want to touch him.

In the same way I wouldn't think an actor or musician guilty of a similar offence should be banned from ever making another album or movie.
But I'd hope that their crime would be so rightly reviled by society/the public that no studio or label in their right mind would touch them because (even ignoring the moral aspect) from a purely economic position nobody would pay for their product.