Why the fucking fuck is that rapist Ched Evans being released anyway?

Sash. I am not. If you had read the thread you would see that I went through the same thing as the girl in question after a spiked drink, and was also raped, have said that I think both men should have been found guilty and that I really hope he doesn't get the appeal he has petitioned for. I have stated why I think the court will go for the appeal and what 'facts' they will use to do so, using his website and many others.

Hup

Stop just repeating the Evan's web site.

Evans was in a taxi going to one location when he got a text saying 'I've got a bird' - at that point he got the taxi to change direction. At that point he decided he was going to have sex with the 'bird', his brother and friend were going to film it. He made that choice, him. Not her.

Even before that they booked a hotel room. Why was the room booked? They claimed one was going to sleep there but I don't know about you but when I stay in a hotel I usually have at least a tooth brush with me, notmally a change of clothing, they didn't.

It is being painted as a 'hysterical' overreaction - rape! prison! Just for having the crack on a night out. Talk about minimization

age 7-12 is the age when boys 'really' get into football. esp if they are serious about becoming professional players. after that it's too late, really.

True, should be an interesting one next time the what about the menz thing kicks off with regard to anonymity for the accused in rape cases.

It's also about showing that being convicted of rape doesn't ruin your life at all, really.
Bad Lad got his wrists slapped - and then his back.

It's all about normalising these men's behaviour, isn't it really?

He's a convicted rapist, but can kick a ball about, so we'll just ignore that. This one beat his wife up in a drunken rage, but look, he cried about it, so we'll ignore that.

It makes this kind of behaviour ok really.

Why the random sudden focus on boys aged 7-12?

These men are role models / aspirational types / heroes for men and boys of all ages surely.

I also think you are a bit deluded if you think boys at the upper end of that range don't notice the lifestyle.

Exactly, bullets.

Well I did as a boy. I don't think 7-12 year olds are thinking about booze, women and getting away with stuff. I played because I loved the game.

As you get older then yeah, money, fame, travel and women will factor more. However, millions upon millions of men and women all over the world play football every weekend for free.

The elite are a tiny, tiny percentage. The average salary of a league 2 player is around 35,000 a year, hardly riches.

Don't be ridiculous mengog.

They want the fame and the money and the lifestyle.
The lifestyle includes cash and booze and partying and women and being able to get away with loads of stuff.
You are fooling yourself if you think that boys and young men aspire purely to the actual playing football part of it.

Yeah they do, but on the pitch. I wanted to play football like Gazza. I didn't want to be an alcoholic woman beater.

If someone wants to follow Ched Evans example and go to prison for rape, I think they may have big problems anyway.

They do though. What you want and how it is are not the same thing.

Footballers should be role models on the pitch. I idolised Gazza when growing up. I didn't really think or care about his off pitch behaviour - I'm pretty sure most kids felt the same.

I think footballers generally are awful role models. Drug users, dealers, Drink drivers, alcoholics, violent offenders, racists, sex offenders etc If kids are looking for role models for life, don't look at football.

EE - yes, the point I was making (not very well, it appears) is that if it is known that you wouldn't pass a check that would allow you to work with young people, you shouldn't be working in a role known to influence young people.

I'm not talking about how the law is now, or how it's likely to be in the future - I was just using a simple example of some checks people go through that he would fail. And yet people feel it's ok that he gets this particular job back.

As a hero not as a her!

It's not just boys I guess there it's men of all ages who might see him as a her or role model or someone to respect or aspire to iyswim.

The messages around this situation are just awful.

Footballers going to do talks or coaching in schools wouldn't merit a DBS check. Since the rules changed you can legally only check people who will be left alone with children or vulnerable people - there are teachers there all the time.

Besides, all a DBS check tells you is whether someone has convictions. We all know Evans has.

It's beside the point. The question should be about the extent to which footballers are set up as role models to boys. This is why the prospect of him returning to top flight football (or Sheffield Utd at least) is so unsavoury.

Ooh, Glovender, is it me that's the DM hanging advocate? How exciting! I'm normally called a bit of a lefty feminist, so that does make a change!

Thank you, Courtesy and Chaos, for understanding what I am trying to say. I am pointing out that one doesn't have to be in 1:1 contact with someone to be an influence, a role model etc. And professional footballers at big clubs certainly qualify. And I don't feel that the perpetrator of violence against women should be in that position. What a terrible message to convey.

As Peter Parker said, 'with great power comes great responsibility'.

I'm also not saying that convicted rapists are beyond redemption. I am an advocate of prison reform in which rehabilitation forms a greater part and 'punishment', which in my opinion is so negative, a smaller one.

But that doesn't mean naively placing someone with a conviction of violence against women in a position where they can be adored by young people. Just as I wouldn't employ a convicted money launderer in a bank. It just doesn't make sense.

And no, I'm also not saying that all amateur footballers should be CRB checked. Professional sportspeople who inspire the younger generation should be expected to have behaviour worthy of inspiration: like Novak Djokovic for example.

Can you imagine a tennis player behaving in the way so many footballers do? Naomi Broady lost her funding for posting a picture of herself on facebook that was deemed slightly risque...She had to work twice as hard to get to Wimbledon and is a better player because of it. This type of accountability is no bad thing, but I see little of it in football, which is a shame. It's there - but it's not the norm.

"This is one of those 'hanging is too good for them' rants and not an intelligent debate"

This is an incorrect representation of the thread.

The football world is amoral.

Absolutely - it's indicative of what happens when money becomes the driving force....

All footballers should be CRB checked is an opinion about the profession.

OK, fair enough. It'll never happen though.

I really don't agree with the way footballers seem to be above the law, but given the fact that they're allowed to go "back to work" after killing whole families on the roads let alone raping someone, what on earth makes you think the FA (or whoever) would buy into this?

How would that work with the Foreign players, some of whom are from countries that'll never give our authorities any information.

The whole game, infrastructure & a lot of the players are reprehensible TBH. Money talks though & they'll never abandon a player who'll net them millions, if not billions in revenue for the sake of a piece of paper and a "bit of a dodgy past"....

They're busy trying to lower/remove Suarez's ban for goodness sake, & he's taking chunks out of other million pound players......