Why the fucking fuck is that rapist Ched Evans being released anyway?

Re Ched Evans.

Oh come now, lets get real!

Firstly, parole is normally only given where an "offender" atones for his crime. However, there are exceptions to this. Occasionally, the Parole Board may consider that there are genuine grounds to believe that a mis-carriage of justice might have occurred. In such circumstances they may grant full Parole. I have personal experience of this (nothing to do with rape). Yes, OK, so far, three Judges have refused to acknowledge that position or to grant Ched an appeal. In my case there were thirteen Judges who refused to grant an appeal. Yet the Home Secretary eventually reversed the conviction. Although I live in Norwich I do not know Ched Evans and am not a football fan. However, having read all of the news items on this matter it does seem that there is serious doubts here. It appears that the woman did not initially lodge any complaint (perhaps until persuaded to do so by the Police and/or to protect her "reputation". Did they want to "have a go" at Ched?). The only evidence that any sexual encounter took place (the "victim" could recall nothing) was volunteered by Ched Evans himself!?!

Now, I can recall occasions in my youth, as perhaps others can, waking up in the morning with a hangover and an unknown female by my side. Both of us being too drunk to remember how this happened. So who took advantage of who? I guess its first come, first served. Or is it always the man who is to blame?

I always thought that sex was something that occurred through a natural and amicable chain of events. Sober or otherwise. In my youth, mobile phones did not exist. Had they been available then perhaps I could have got an E Mail or Texted, "permission" to have sex, beforehand. Is that what we have now arrived at in a "health and safety" sort of way?

How romantic.

Do not overlook that both Cheds girlfriend, and her father, are supporting Ched to the full. Ask yourself why.

Finally, if he really was guilty (of what?), why was the other footballer, who also had sex with the girl, found not guilty. Should all this really prevent Ched from getting on with his life by continuing in his chosen profession?
He's done his time, deservedly or not.

As I said "lets get real"

He really is an insufferable little bore.

Suttoxi

He has been convicted. However his case has been referred and accepted by the Criminal Cases Review Commission. As far as I can see, his defence team believes it has new evidence that casts serious doubt on the complainant's evidence as to how drunk she might have been - both from further (?) expert opinion evidence based on her blood alcohol assay and CCTV evidence of her entering the hotel. If after all this, the Court of Appeal agree with the court of the first instance, he can hardly say he hasn't had a good crack of the whip.

Why am I not surprised?

Some evil cunt has revealed his victims new identity.

Lol @ Yonic

No, he was convicted. Haven't you read a newspaper, ever?

Now off you pop. There's a thread from 2012 about beards that you probably need to bump.

That same account of the case includes the judge's statement that it would've been obvious to the rapist Ched Evans that his victim did not have capacity to consent.

Yeah, wardy, you might want to have a reread of the provenance of that piece of writing. It being the reasons why his appeal was disallowed an all that.

And a second welcome to MN, we really do love single issue posters here, especially when they are trying to make rapists look all fluffy and shit.

Bit more work required on your reading comprehension skills, Wardy. That's a careful examination of why these issues were considered in the application for an appeal, and why they were dismissed as not in any way undermining the original verdict, which (since you seem to have forgotten this) was a guilty verdict. Oh, and welcome to Mumsnet. Always nice to meet a single issue poster.

www.crimeline.info/case/r-v-ched-evans-chedwyn-evans

Read it for the facts of the case, she was NOT spiked, although she did have traces of cocaine and cannabis.

A witness statement that came out as new evidence stated she had mentioned the same things on occasions before.

The porter reported the noise of a COUPLE having sex, surely a passed out woman would not be heard.

He needs to clear his name before becoming a footballer again

Agreed

Mengog, the best thing he could do is acknowledge the rape & apologise to the victim.

Thanks for answering, Mengog.

I go to around 6 games a season now. If we signed him, I wouldn't go. I would still support my team, watch them on TV and still want success. I wouldn't buy any merchandise.

The point re Tescos was in answer to Capt saying it would be sexist to play someone who has a conviction of violence against women. I enquiring if it was always sexist, or if it was only sexist for select occupations, and what exactly are those occupations.

I think the key point here is Ched Evans is a good footballer. A 17 year old average player would be dropped like a shot. A goalscorer whose goals could mean the difference between promotion and £15-20 million+ in the bank or not; make it very much a business decision.

Personally, the best thing he could do is go to Qatar ,UAE, Russia etc. Play for a club in the middle of nowhere get paid far more than he would at United and then retire quietly 2/3 years later. No fear of him being a role model, no press reports, no controversy. Disappear quietly where no one knows him

Yes I used to regularly attend football. I stopped because the misogyny, xenophobia & racism in the stands (including family stands) was so unpleasant.

Not sure of your point re: tescos. Seems poorly thought through.

If your club signed him, Mengog, what would you do?

"The paying public will vote with their feet and wallets." Not sure that this is a measure of whether taking back Ched Evans should be acceptable. Our society is misogynistic already. So supporters views are already skewed away from supporting women. Plus regardless of how the general populace view this, the man was convicted of a violent crime against women. An institution such as football clubs that produces role models and that people do look up to, should be held to higher standards and recognise when they are upholding misogynistic views in this fashion. They should be expected to send out moral messages.

Wouldn't workplaces normally sack their staff if they had raped a woman?

Absolutely this debate argument can go on forever if you engage the points at an incredibly superficial level. The difference between football stars and shelf stackers at Tescos is massive. Little boys rarely if ever dream of working at Tescos.

I also wouldn't exempt other figures in the public eye. Like other sportsman, like it or not they are role models. Although it's been awhile since I've been in the stands and as far as I recollect I've not heard such from the stands. However this discussion is not primarily about the fans, it's about one of the men who play the game being a convicted rapist being a role model for little boys like mine. No thank you.