Why the fucking fuck is that rapist Ched Evans being released anyway?

FGS just that was my original post - I couldn't understand why he wasn't guilty too. Nice touch calling someone who has been raped in the same circumstances a rape apologist. I don't think so, just have an interest in the case because of the similarities with mine.

Yes I was paraphrasing.

Hup hup hurrah for the rapists, eh?

Seven I take offence with you using quotation marks around something that I did not say or insinuate. And again I am not supporting him. In any way. Nor have I said I have.

"Is it that they think he didn't do what he was convicted of, or if they think what he was convicted of doesn't count as rape, I wonder. Maybe a mix of both"

The latter, I think.

"Taken advantage of" what on earth.

Use of pathetic euphemisms for rape = check.

An appeal against what? There is nothing left to appeal.

Why sickening? She was taken advantage of was she not? By both men, not just one. If you read my posts you will see I am not supporting him at all and that my interest stems from being raped in the same circumstances when I wad younger. I am just stating why I think on this secondary appeal he will be acquitted - nowhere have I said it wasn't rape or that he is innocent.

I am not sure his girlfriend should be called in for criticism. I do hope that in extremis my DH would stand by me, even if I was guilty.

He has been found guilty but I wouldn't be surprised if a second appeal found him innocent for these reasons. The whole thing hinges on reasonable doubt I guess.

He has tried to appeal many times. Several judges have said his conviction was safe.

You might want to stop being such an obvious rape apologist now, Hup.

Prisoners don't have to express remorse or undergo rehab to be considered for release these days:"The law changed in 2005 as a consequence of the Criminal Justice Act 2003 so that all persons on determinate sentences were released automatically when they had completed half their sentence regardless of whether they had attended rehabilitation programmes or shown remorse." (from napo.org.uk)

It's really shitty that he gets out and just picks up where he left off. The woman he raped has had her life ruined.

And another appeal is being launched via a different route ( it's all over the newspapers). As I have said I have just looked at the case and have not supported him in any way - just stated why I think he will get off. Not whether I think that is a right or wrong decision.

Is there a health and safety aspect to this. Thinking about work. If my company sends me away for work with a man who they know is a convicted rapist and he rapes me, have they failed in their duty of care to me as my employer?

I wonder if this has ever come up. Sorry off topic but interesting.

Nobody actually knows what state she was in ....she was clearly sober enough on entering the hotel to walk straight and bend down to pick something up. There is no evidence of further drinking. The videos taken outside were inconclusive and nothing could be ascertained. Both men admitted sex with her despite no forensic evidence. She did not report rape .... If I was looking at an appeal I would be looking at these things. What it boils down to is a young girl being taken advantage of by a couple of men who should have known better, and the local police deciding to Persue that it was rape. I don't think she has helped herself by her tweets - she deleted messages from Facebook during the time she was in the room, that she had sent to friends as well .... So she must have been sober enough to know what she was doing there - and to delete them.
He has been found guilty but I wouldn't be surprised if a second appeal found him innocent for these reasons. The whole thing hinges on reasonable doubt I guess.

As I said earlier as someone who was raped in similar circumstances (although stone cold sober to start with) I have just looked at the case from all angles. I had a drink spiked, which was her original complaint ... Although no evidence of this was found. Very sad, especially for Evan's naive girlfriend.

Just there have been an eye popping number of posts on the subject which start with the words...

'If he really is guilty.....'

He is one a tiny number of men who have actually been convicted. The burden of proof for rape is arguably higher than it is for any other crime, as they spend half their time trying to decide if a crime has actually taken place, and then look at who might be responsible.

It would be down to the company would it not. If his old company didn't want him, he then should surely be able to join another one.

Evans is a 10 million pound assest. They could sack him, but another club would snap him up without a doubt.

I'm trying to understand the argument. Is it that he shouldn't play for Sheffield United, or he shouldn't be allowed to play football, anywhere, ever again.

I wonder how the sponsors John Holland Sales have reacted to their company name being used to sponsor a rapist?