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McBear · 10/08/2014 22:02

I've just seen (on fb- sorry) a picture with an image of barbie and he-man. Underneath barbie, it has the caption 'This is barbie. Throughout the years she has been the centre of much controversy because feminists claim she represents an unrealistic, unhealthy and unfair standard of beauty leading to a 'crisis' for young girls and their self esteem.

Underneath he-man it says 'This is he-man'

I'll try and find a link to the picture but it did get me thinking... He man is the 'epitome of manliness' as are a lot of comic book heroes/boys dolls. (Not including weedy captain America and Peter Parker, though obviously they 'improve' when they are handsome, tall and muscular) Why are they not seen as damaging to young boys?

I, personally, think it's because of the pressure society puts on women and them stereotypically seen as weaker. Women are taught to compete for male attention, men compete for jobs/sports and therefore success.

It does raise a good point for me though that men are shown the same ideals but do not feel the same pressure to comply.

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ApocalypseThen · 11/08/2014 07:34

I think the fact it says Feminist double standard at the top of the picture implies that feminists should be fighting for both.

I do think we feminists could stop promoting the he man ideal, though.

DoctorTwo · 11/08/2014 07:34

Whenever I see the phrase 'Feminist Double Standard' (my caps) I actually think 'Women. Know. Your. Place'. It's just another way to shut women up.

SpeverendRooner · 11/08/2014 06:53

A muscular torso being de rigeur is also a fairly recent phenomenon, compared to Standard Female Beauty. Humphrey Bogart with his shirt off (The African Queen, for example) looks like my old dad with his shirt off.

MrsTerryPratchett · 11/08/2014 02:55

There are a couple of issues with this as I see it:

  1. He-Man's body is achievable, even if unlikely, Barbie's isn't.
  1. He-Man's body is about strength, Barbie's signals sexual availability, weakness and PINK.
  1. He-Man is one of a number of male body types that are acceptable, attractive and fictional. Barbie's is pretty much the norm for teen dolls, porn, plastic surgery and film.
DadWasHere · 11/08/2014 02:45

Hmmm. I find this very interesting. There are multiple versions of this image but basically two different types. As near as I can research, the caption 'Feminist Double Standard' is an addition to an earlier image which did not feature it. Otherwise the images are the same.

Minus that caption, with the accusation of double standard removed, I can read in many other ways, some positive and some negative. A positive view would be as a male issue unrelated to feminism that uses feminism to illustrate men failing to recognise and question damaging representations of male masculinity in the same way women have questioned their own. I would love to find the original of this image and see what the creators intent was. I will go dig more if I have time.

CaptChaos · 10/08/2014 23:24

Another thing.... He-Man's body, while difficult to achieve, it is possible to get close. Barbie's isn't without serious plastic surgery and the amazing inability to hold your head up on your tiny neck. Or walk.

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scallopsrgreat · 10/08/2014 23:15

Good point!

almondcakes · 10/08/2014 23:14

Barbie is meant to be a woman.

He man etc are meant to be super heroes.

Girls grow up to be women.

Boys do not grow up to be superheroes.

Hopefully everyone knows this and so can see why Barbie is more sexist.

scallopsrgreat · 10/08/2014 23:11

I think the fact it says Feminist double standard at the top of the picture implies that feminists should be fighting for both.

scallopsrgreat · 10/08/2014 23:09

Agreed poguemahon. This type of comparison/competition with women's reality always seems to come hand in hand in these campaigns/memes about the problems men face. You see it in a whole spectrum of other issues. Why can't they just state what shift in men's experiences they are seeing and do the leg work themselves?

McBear · 10/08/2014 23:07

Who said anything about men expecting us to do it?

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poguemahon · 10/08/2014 22:51

So...feminists should be campaigning for better role models for boys? Don't they have enough on their plates trying to level the playing field for females Confused

What about the menz writ large, surely? Why don't MEN complain about He-Man and the unrealistic expectations he sets up, instead of expecting feminists to do it for them?

McBear · 10/08/2014 22:42

On mobile so can't see pics Confused

DD is not allowed to watch barbie because her DF thinks she's a vapid twit and he doesn't want her growing up like that. However, she does watch it because barbie has had a billion careers, some of which are high powered. I think this shows DD that girls can achieve. Her DF disagrees tho.

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CaptChaos · 10/08/2014 22:18

You mean this?

Interesting comparison of it from a blog post as well.

I won't link to the blog, because apparently all feminists care about is looks and not that Barbie is a vapid twit....

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McBear · 10/08/2014 22:02

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