"Women against feminism" WTF?!!

Mehekugi....

name change, or registered just to tell women they're being bad people?

No feminist I have seen has threatened a single anti feminist on either twitter or Facebook.

And really? You've never seen judgy bitch or her delightful MRA pals threaten women? They have a whole website dedicated to doing just that, so, maybe, just maybe, you might want to do a little research before you come and spout off, yeah?

I just think that if people are being threatened they should make the threats public. As I said, I've seen nothing on Facebook or Twitter.

"women shouldn't threaten her back, I suppose, or sic their male pals onto harassing her."

What do you mean "threaten her back"? There is nothing to suggest she threatened anyone in the first place. And there is nothing to suggest she was threatened by any males.

It doesn't say where the threats were made. They could have been made via PM or feminists could have tracked down her home address and sent threats there?

Here's another tweet from the hashtag from someone else:

"Danielle Gieger ?@DanielleGieger Aug 1
I've never had anyone make me feel as disgustingly ugly and worthless as feminists have when I say I'm part of #WomenAgainstFeminism"

Judgy bitch? Really? The MRA handmaiden extraordinaire?

But no, I agree, women shouldn't threaten her back, I suppose, or sic their male pals onto harassing her. People shouldn't harass people.

I did wonder if Paul El*m was behind this, seems I was right.

Yep. As a feminist I am happy to condemn any threats made in the name of feminism- whether they are made to men or women.

I'd really like to see some of them, though. Where can I look?

I don't know any feminists who would think that threatening other women is the right thing to do, regardless of whether those women think feminism is worthwhile or not

I can't find any threats on the Facebook page- are they on twitter? I have to say that the Facebook page seem to be mostly men doing their usual "what are feminists doing about male homelessness" routine and women saying "I am not a feminist because I love my husband" Not much deep analysis going on- and the beginnings of a serious MRA takeover.

What- "I don't need feminism because my best friend is a guy". Seriously?

"Why are some young women put off Feminism? I dunno."

Have a look at the hashtag on twitter or the facebook page.

The woman who started the #WomenAgainstFeminism has received threats from feminists.

judgybitch.com/2014/07/31/let-me-clarify-womenagainstfeminism/

This is another one of those threads that has me banging my head against my keyboard. The amount of collective hours that have been spent on this board alone in discussing every single point that has been raised in opposition of Feminism would keep an SME ticking over for a year. And some of that in the past 6 weeks or so!

Why are some young women put off Feminism? I dunno. I live in hope that the faith that they have in their male peers is not without foundation and that their generation really do have equality in their grasp.

In the meantime, I shall continue to challenge rape myths, advocate for the elimination of the real glass ceiling that sits within the domestic sphere and focus on women's liberation.

P. S. Xenia and scottishmummy are not radical feminists, as far as I am aware. And analysis of a choice is not criticism of that choice. Please don't lump me (or others like me) in with the former when I am doing the latter.

Purpleflamingoes- are you around? I'd love a response to my 10.26 post!

There are lot of radical feminists who say that stay-at-home-parenting is important because it helps to teach children that there is equal value in work for non-financial gain. Provided of course that that work is demonstrably valued equally by those around them, which is what many feminists work towards in addition to wanting to improve women's lot in the (paid) workplace.

Come back off a short break and find this. And my gut reaction is that many young women (including DD) are reacting against the brand of feminism that is busy telling them their choices are invalid if they do not coincide with certain opinions. And telling them their wrong and being condescending towards their views is not going to help.

Exactly.

"But of course, the minute I chose to be a stay at home mum I lost all my brains and identity according to radical feminists."

Can you show me where this is a radical feminist position?

"My own introduction to feminism at university left me dumbfounded and unable to associate with it. The men hating unshaven leg feminist that taught sociology was so far removed from anything I had come across before that I couldn't understand her viewpoint or lectures. "

Wow. She sounds rubbish. What was her name? I'd love to google and see what she's published lately!

"I lost all my brains and identity according to radical feminists."

Some people think this. Some of those people are women. Some of those women identify as rad fem.

This isn't a radical feminist position, though, any more than the fact that some Labour supporters smack their children means that Labour supports corporal punishment.

On FWR there are a number of SAHMs who identify as rad fem.

Perhaps rebelling against extreme feminism is as much a rite of passage as rebelling against parents.
My own introduction to feminism at university left me dumbfounded and unable to associate with it. The men hating unshaven leg feminist that taught sociology was so far removed from anything I had come across before that I couldn't understand her viewpoint or lectures.

It was only mumsnet and life experience that made me realise we do still need feminism. Being groped in clubs and pubs and refused promotions because I challenged my male boss on his ideas, became pregnant...and now I'm a target for extreme feminist because of my stay at home mum status. But now I'm confident in dealing with them. I'm a mum. I carried life inside me and I care for my children helping them be happy and confident people. Being 'just a mum' should be one of the highest status' around in my opinion. You are responsible for teaching them to be caring, confident enough to voice their opinions and use the word 'no', understanding enough to realise the earths resources are not infinite, and empathetic enough to understand that people shouldn't suffer or be hungry in this day and age.
But of course, the minute I chose to be a stay at home mum I lost all my brains and identity according to radical feminists.

Flora, what you wrote about choice and its veil of fairness when in fact it has many, many constraints was brilliant. However, I would like to see the evidence which shows it was feminism that brought about Child Benefit and child support maintenance.

I agree to some extent about LTB, but in my early pregnancy, I posted about some issues I was having with my boyfriend - namely that he was friends with a girl who wanted to be more than friends with him, and issues with my ILs surrounding my accidental pregnancy. I was hoping for advice on how to talk to my boyfriend about this girl - instead I was told to LTB. It can be an entirely positive thing - but in my case it would've left me homeless and pregnant over something very trivial, that we easily sorted out in the end. There are some posters who jump to LTB like it's the ultimate answer to every relationship niggle.

I am from a sink estate. I no longer live there. It was always known as a sink estate and no-one cared (my parents had more important things to think about - but not abortion and contraception). We were working class back then. I am not now. I have never been a part of the underclass. Lucky me.

HTH.

Let me get this straight.

You are positing that, because RadFems now have a voice, and some women don't like what they're saying, it's going to make those women not fight against FGM? Do you really think that is true? Because it doesn't reflect well on those women if it is, does it?

If you want to look at lovely choosy liberal feminism, you could go and look at The F-Word, because they try to silence RadFems almost as much as MRAs do, it is a RadFem free feminist place.

Come back off a short break and find this. And my gut reaction is that many young women (including DD) are reacting against the brand of feminism that is busy telling them their choices are invalid if they do not coincide with certain opinions. And telling them their wrong and being condescending towards their views is not going to help.

From the mockery with the cats in another thread to the attitude of how dare they on some feminist boards (not just this one) we are seeing more to alienate young women than ever before from feminism. The problem being is that the agenda that is highly visible on the web does seem to be a very polarised view. So if that is the message that they are seeing then surely no one should be surprised when some young ladies decide what they see as feminism is not what they want.

And the comments about hand maidens etc wtg on pushing those women further away from the cause. Because they will be less likely to get involved in things like the fight against FGM. Still if more young women decide that radical feminism isn't for them that is their choice but hey don't let women making choices be a valid option if it doesn't fit the more radical agenda.

Women subsuming their own needs in relationships also translates into the "ownership" of womens sexuality.

When a woman posts about the pain of being in a sexless/affectionless relationship....these boards are largely incredibly supportive.

However you sometimes get the odd poster (this one does happen to be male) who will choose to blame the woman in the situation whether it is she with no libido or her male partner.

There is a really good example of it in this linked thread and the linked thread within it.
The sinister implication is that women couldn't/shouldn't like sex. I was aghast when I noticed the same poster taking a different attitude to similar situations purely based on the OPs gender.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/2144584-Is-my-husband-fit-healthy-no-sex

Capt yes I think you're right. That poster is giving me a sense of deja vu.

I agree LRD I used to be a bit about LTB but I think I hadn't realised how many women are still trapped by the expectations placed on them.

To add to my earlier post, it would be impossible for me to be educated if I was growing up now with tuition fees and no student grant. I am / was the wrong sex, wrong class and wrong religion where I grew up. Feminism can't deal with all those problems, only the wrong sex part. That doesn't mean it is not an essential part of changing society or that it hasn't helped working class women.