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Female body hair.

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MontyGlee · 16/07/2014 09:18

Lots of people said this can't be done because society's controls are too strong.

Well, I'm not sure. Ok, so it's just a small-scale online trend just now, but you've got to start somewhere.

[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10968079/Womens-hairy-legs-I-hate-myself-for-shaving-but-I-just-cant-stop.html?placement=CB2]

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Picklepest · 16/07/2014 20:03

My reaction isn't extreme. It's normal. Otherwise there would be no magazines, beauty industry, waxing, razors etc. conditioned? Don't really care tbh. I'd rather fight employment rights, something that aw heck, matters to women.

meringue33 · 16/07/2014 19:54

Of course it's a feminist issue.

I wish I had the guts not to bother. It costs me £30 a month to stay hair-free and DH would divorce me

CaptChaos · 16/07/2014 19:50

I don't shave anywhere. Why should I?

I am neither lazy nor smelly thanks for that

I have been to Ascot with unshaved legs and pits and no one batted an eyelid. I really don't get why a) the hirsuteness of any part of my body is anyone's business but mine, b) why only women are expected to remove body hair and c) why women get ridiculed for choosing not to bother.

I do find it odd how people who do the whole, 'Ewwwwwwww, she's got hairy legs/pits' thing don't seem to do that to men. They don't think men look smelly or dirty. They don't think men are being lazy if they don't shave their legs.

TheHoundsBitch · 16/07/2014 19:46

I shave my armpits because DH prefers it, he doesn't shave his face because I prefer it. Muffage is not an issue for either of us - sometimes I remove some/all of it sometimes I don't, legs, otoh; I cannot bring myself to have hairy legs in public Blush DP takes the mickey but isn't bothered when they are v. hairy.
I think it is a feminist issue, because it's not really about individual choice; most people who do it, do it because it's expected of them.

ouryve · 16/07/2014 19:45

Pickle - that's your problem, not anyone else's. Your reaction is quite extreme and illogical. And is purely down to conditioning. Body hair can be extremely beautiful. DS2 has masses of blond arm and leg hair which shimmers in the light. DH has long, long, ginger leg hair, which is actually rather enjoyable to stroke and twiddle :o

I have very dark body hair, but only shave pits and legs if they're on show. I quite like the feel of light summer clothing against bare legs, but I truly CBA in winter.

Shallishanti · 16/07/2014 19:36

argh
it can be done.
Have not shaved my armpits for - I dunno- about 30 years. I don't smell. Think about men- do they smell? Not usually.

Legs- I have been walking about today with bare and unshaved legs. Nobody fainted in shock. I grant that if I'd been at work or similar - so that people had the chance to examine my legs- they may have noticed. But I reckon it's an open secret that I am a mammal and therefore have hair not feathers or scales on my body.
I'm clean, my hair is clean and well cut, my clothes are clean and I often wear jewelry - as far as I am concerned, this indicates sufficient interest in my appearance. Just cba with any more.

If you really can't stand looking at hairy legs ask yourself why and whether hairy legs on men are equally repellent- if so, why? I must confess I find lots of body hair on men unattractive, but this is just a personal aesthetic preference, like I prefer blues and mauves to yellow and orange- would not presume to expect a man to remove body hair on my account.

itsbetterthanabox · 16/07/2014 19:35

Pickle are you disgusted by all men?
Hairy or fat people are not dirty you need to challenge that thought that you have not just accept it.
Hair removal is a feminist issue. We painfully rip hair out to be acceptable in public or in bed that's not ok. I know that I only do it because otherwise I feel embarrassed but I try to challenge that feeling.
Body hair does not make you smell more, it is not dirty or gross. 99% of men have all their body hair they aren't all unhygienic and stinky! Why is it only hairy women that stink?

Picklepest · 16/07/2014 19:25

I cannot stand looking at hairy legs. Mine or anyone else's. Hair in tights makes me sick. It looks like a cleanliness issue (even if person is clean) and to me a laziness one too. Again even if that isn't the case. It's a bit like connotations of fat I guess for nearest comparison. The stereotype 'fat and lazy' which in individual cases is false but is a lasting 'phrase' (can't think of word). I don't see that a feminist issue either.

And code wouldn't cross my mind. I'm surprised there... If feminists want a code can we have a more stylish one maybe? Just clean manicured toes no polish or something? More likeable minimalist/norm core ? :)

whereisshe · 16/07/2014 18:44

Thinking about it and I'm finding it very hard to unpick why I do remove some of my body hair.

I'm rather lax about it, and don't bother if I can hide it (except underarms, otherwise I smell) but I definitely wouldn't feel comfortable walking around with hairy legs on show.

I know I only started due to peer pressure from other girls, so in that sense I only do it in order to conform with societal expectations. And society doesn't expect men to do it, so it's certainly to do with a conception of how women "should" look. Which has overtones of our decorative status etc. so I can see a feminist angle there.

But it's also about power. Knowing and following "the rules". It was one of the things I was bullied about at school, being blithely unaware until that point that it was expected. So I suppose there's a feminist angle there as well, in the sense that women aren't in the ruling class...

But on the other hand, good looking and well-presented give a massive boost to social status no matter who you are, so I think there's an overriding non-feminist angle that we're all just a bit shallow in our surface judgements of others.

I'm not going to stop though. I'm not sure what that says!

Snapespeare · 16/07/2014 18:22

I stopped shaving underarm hair around 18 months ago, I give it an occasional trim when it gets a bit unwieldy.

In a way (in my head..) it helps me to identify as a feminist, because it's kind of like a code. If I'm wearing strappy dresses in summer and have a stretch at my desk or grab an overhead rail on the tube, then I am conscious that I am not confirming to a societal expectation of beauty and if anyone pulls a face at my under-arm hair, then I get that they think women should shave.

I don't find sweat that much of a problem. Use anti-persperant, wash daily. I have no problem with the natural smell of (un-stale) sweat.

Picklepest · 16/07/2014 17:43

I've never really seen it as a feminist issue. Maybe bald gardens but only because it looks prepubescent! Legs and underarms seem to be more about personal choice tbh.

weatherall · 16/07/2014 17:35

I'm a feminist.

The thought of removing pubic hair revolts me. I think that practice is porn driven and misogynistic.

However removing other body hair I don't think is problematic.

Armpit hair gives sweat more surface to cling to.

I shave that once a week.

Legs I do in the summer and for special occasions I the winter. I like the feel of them all smooth. I've never felt any pressure from partners to shave them.

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