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Global summit of women 2014 is a sausage party

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noblegiraffe · 17/06/2014 18:29

mobile.twitter.com/mapaquet/status/478526392947048448/photo/1

Anyone know the story behind this farce?

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noblegiraffe · 18/06/2014 18:29

Why wouldn't it be valid to have a female CEO on that platform? Surely it would be really interesting to see if the gender breakdown is more even with a female in charge, and whether a woman faces the same issues in recruiting women that a man does.

Bonkers to exclude women from that discussion.

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sausageeggbacon11 · 18/06/2014 13:42

I would assume the reason they are all male is that the question is about gender breakdown in their companies and therefore any company with a female CEO is less likely to be one that is wanted on that platform.

I would be asking about those at the bottom of the work pyramid and numbers versus amount paid. This should be a chance to look at creche facilities and flexible working for those returning to work. These are nightmare areas IME and really need to be addressed.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/06/2014 12:32

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Mengog · 18/06/2014 12:13

On Twitter these men have been getting a whole lot of abuse. Yet these powerful men seem to be fighting the feminist cause in their own companies. Read about Gianmarco Monsellatos law firm, who is on the panel. How he has fought for and achieved complete gender equality throughout his company.

The vast majority of speakers were women (90%). Next time these men, who were invited by the organisers, may simply not bother coming.

noblegiraffe · 18/06/2014 10:56

Even as a subset of a female dominated conference it stinks.

People complained that there weren't enough men discussing how to get women into power in business. So they convened an all-male panel to discuss how men can get men to get more women into power. If men deserve a voice in the first discussion then women deserve a voice in the second, especially as it is ultimately about them.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/06/2014 09:07

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BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 18/06/2014 08:57

"His crime went beyond hated of women and into something far worse."

If he had shot/stabbed two black men and four white, because he didn't like black people and didn't like his white roommates being friends with black people, would his crime cease to be racially motivated because it was "far worse" than a gang of white kids beating up a black kid for, say, dating a white girl?

StewiesBack · 18/06/2014 08:15

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No: means I don't know the story behind the image answering the OP's question

I need to work on my shocked and surprised face for a few minutes. : this part means that if it's clearly as dumb as the image implies, then I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked because I have attended many, many conferences where this happened. Just last week, the UK social workers org had their annual conference. The vast majority of social workers are women. The vast majority of speakers were male. This is the reality in which we live: we do the work, but still need men to tell us what to do.

It's called misogyny.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 18/06/2014 07:20

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kickassangel · 17/06/2014 23:57

I'm pretty certain that there are some well qualified and experienced women who could provide information on the economic, social and business reasons why so many CEOs are male. They could potentially even contact some males and get statements from them about how and why their companies attempt to overcome this. They could have asked some female CEOs to give their personal stories.

Any number of ways that this didn't need to be an all make panel. A mixed panel to discuss the different perspectives could have been interesting.

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2014 23:02

Why should they be replaced? Confused

Are you going to admit that the photo looks ridiculous?

And if it does look ridiculous, why does it look ridiculous?

If a fricking Women's summit has a stage deliberately dominated by men, then what hope is there, really?

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VikingVolva · 17/06/2014 22:43

Only men were invited to be on stage at that session?

Isn't that the fault of the organisers?

Who runs the Women's Summit? And as what they did here is "crass", who should they be replaced by?

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2014 22:36

AICM, your summary is incorrect. My first post suggests that an all-male panel at the Women's Summit is a farce. If the photo didn't look so bloody ridiculous it wouldn't have been retweeted would it?

And you suggest that I'm saying that men have no place in a Women's summit. That's not true. I'm saying that sticking an all-male panel at a women's summit to discuss solving women's problems is crass. FFS the world is full of all-male panels of powerful men. The BBC has had to introduce a rule to make sure it doesn't happen on panel shows any more because it's ridiculous. Yet at a Women's Summit, presumably aiming to give women a voice, get equal representation in business, as CEOs, there's a sodding all-male panel?

It's not that there's men there talking, that's fine. It's that there's only men on that stage. At a women's summit. Talking about how they've helped out women in business, who aren't on the stage.

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AICM · 17/06/2014 22:34

His crime went beyond hated of women and into something far worse.

AICM · 17/06/2014 22:31

He was an evil vile psychotic killer who committed an act of unspeakable awfullness.

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 17/06/2014 22:23

What's your view now on Elliott Rodgers, AICM?

AICM · 17/06/2014 22:22

Buffy let me summarise it for you:

Thread Title: The Global Conference for women is overrun by men.
Post 1: The Global Conference for women is a farce.
Post 2: I#m shocked it is such a farce.
Post 3: This explains the actual truth.
Post 4: I like that Les Hommesplaining is a thing.

Where does post 2, as you claim, say if true?

AICM · 17/06/2014 22:11

"Oh gosh, give those powerful rich white men a medal. Or at least their own panel. Heaven forfend that they might have to talk on the same platform as a women.

What message is it sending?"

What message does your post send?

This says that these men have no part in the solution to the problem and should go away and not get involved.
Noble G are you angry that men spoke at Feminism conference? Surly these is no better place for a man to be?

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2014 21:12

5 men turn up to help discuss a situation

Oh gosh, give those powerful rich white men a medal. Or at least their own panel. Heaven forfend that they might have to talk on the same platform as a women.

What message is it sending?

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scallopsrgreat · 17/06/2014 21:12

Yep saw that AICM. Also saw her question. Also think you were unnecessarily harsh. The responsibility of the reputation of feminists the world over is not on noblegiraffe's head. And nor can she possible make things worse (what things she is making worse is not clear).

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure · 17/06/2014 21:12

AICM, since you saw no misogyny in the Elliott Rodger's crime, I am no longer surprised by anything you post.

noblegiraffe · 17/06/2014 21:09

It still looks bad to me. They got a bunch of CEOs to talk about how to get women into the board room, and the CEOs were all men? Was it deliberately an all male panel, or could they just not find any women CEOs who might have a contribution to make?

And if it was deliberately an all-male panel of powerful men talking about how to help women, then isn't that pretty bad too? Exactly hommesplaining.

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7Days · 17/06/2014 20:58

Well explain then AICM if you know, instead of whinging about feminists being shit or whatever your point is

fingersonbuzzers · 17/06/2014 20:57

sausage party Grin

AICM · 17/06/2014 20:55

"Anyone know the story behind this farce?"

scallopsrgreat did you not see her last word?