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#Yesallwomen reaches one million tweets!

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Scarletohello · 28/05/2014 10:59

This has been started in response to the massacre and anti women manifesto by Elliot Rodgers. Makes for interesting reading...

www.people.com/article/yes-all-women-hashtag-movement-santa-barbara-shooting

OP posts:
22honey · 28/05/2014 21:43

'Am I allowed now to speak on behalf of ALL FEMINISTS?? Not sure I can take the pressure. I don't feel very worthy '

Plenty of posters here believe they speak for all feminists, and try to deny you are a feminist if you don't agree with them on every issue.

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:42

'My personal view is that any woman who says she hadn't experienced the effects of misogyny is poorly-read, hopelessly naive or culturally brainwashed.'

There you go Jassy, copied it again, the opening paragraph of your post.

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:41

'I did not say, My personal view is that any woman who says she hadn't experienced the effects of misogyny is poorly-read, hopelessly naive or culturally brainwashed.'

You did, I directly copied your post.

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:39

"worry" and "concern"

I have 'worried' throughout my pregnancy that I will lose my baby. I worry about DP's health for example. I do worry that I will be raped again by an acquaintance or similar, or if I will be pushed back into prostitution at one point if the government makes things even harder for worse off people. These are issues that directly could cause me deep pain and destroy my life.

I am concerned and feel anger with regards to acts like FGM, female infanticide, but I am not worried about them because none of them would happen to me, due to my status as a white british woman. This is not me saying I do not care about these issues, AT ALL before anyone tries to shoehorn that in.

But both feelings, to me, are different.

However if your worried about it then your worried about it, your feelings are just as valid (seeing as though I have to say this or you presume I dont consider your opinions and feelings as valid).

CaptChaos · 28/05/2014 21:39

Downamongtherednecks I don't feel very worthy captchaos , I will remember my humble roots.

And so you must, before you morph into a know nothing middle class harpy without realising it or changing in any way.

JassyRadlett · 28/05/2014 21:37

I get that, honey. My test for that is 'is the same thing (eg catcalling) likely to happen to man in the same way / as frequently to a man?'

If the answer is no, then there's your answer.

Downamongtherednecks · 28/05/2014 21:35

I did not say, My personal view is that any woman who says she hadn't experienced the effects of misogyny is poorly-read, hopelessly naive or culturally brainwashed. But I would express surprise that any woman has NEVER experienced misogyny.

JanineStHubbins · 28/05/2014 21:35

You're very quick to pounce on other posters and accuse them of 'putting words in your mouth', 22honey. Shame you don't apply the same high standards to yourself.

Downamongtherednecks · 28/05/2014 21:33

Gosh, janine . Am I allowed now to speak on behalf of ALL FEMINISTS?? Not sure I can take the pressure. I don't feel very worthy captchaos , I will remember my humble roots.

JassyRadlett · 28/05/2014 21:32

Cheers Really. I despair of the attitudes that says 'I'm doing ok, so there is no problem that has affected either me or could affect others.

Yeah, honey, I worry deeply about those things. They're hugely unlikely to happen to me, but I worry that we live in a country where they happen, and I worry because sexism and misogyny exist on a spectrum. The worst atrocities become acceptable because of all the other 'little stuff' that goes unchallenged precisely because it's little stuff. But it all contributes to an internalised idea that women are lesser; that it's ok to pay them less, to sack them because they're 'bossy', to grope a woman on the train, to assume that because you bought a woman a meal, she owes you sex, to object to your girlfriend having male friends, to keep her in line through verbal and physical abuse, to assume you have the right to control your daughter's life and end it if she stands up to you.

You're right, many of these are big fucking problems. Many of them are, in isolation, quite small. But they don't exist in isolation. And we need to worry about what they are doing to other people and to the world. the impact on our daughters and our sons, about the culture that enables it and yes, about the women who are affected.

If we don't worry about them, who will?

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:32

'You still haven't clarified where Downamongtherednecks was 'really rude' to you, 22honey. Can you, please?'

Why? I don't need to. It is possible I made a mistake and it was another poster I considered 'really rude'. It doesnt matter and I cannot be arsed engaging in childish tittle tattle with you.

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:30

'My personal view is that any woman who says she hadn't experienced the effects of misogyny is poorly-read, hopelessly naive or culturally brainwashed.'

I actually agree with this and said similar myself before. The poster who hasnt apparently witnessed misogyny probably doesn't consider 'minor' misogynistic acts like cat calling for example as misogynistic. Many women don't.

7Days · 28/05/2014 21:30

No let's talk about ME instead Janine thanks awfully

JanineStHubbins · 28/05/2014 21:29

You still haven't clarified where Downamongtherednecks was 'really rude' to you, 22honey. Can you, please?

7Days · 28/05/2014 21:27

Thanks CaptChaos I don't have a twitter account and didn't want to log on purely to enrage myself.

Downamongtherednecks · 28/05/2014 21:27

I am struggling to understand the difference between "worry" and "concern". I think I will take hermione's advice.

CaptChaos · 28/05/2014 21:24

7Days when I last had a good peruse a day or so ago, it was pretty much ok. Not too much dickwaddery, have a look, there's some inspiring stuff on there.

Downamongtherednecks we're not worthy! We're not worthy!

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:24

Janine, I take into account anyones opinion. I am allowed to think many of them are utter shite aswell.

JanineStHubbins · 28/05/2014 21:21

Yay, Downamongtherednecks! 22honey said you're allowed to have an opinion! High five!!

7Days · 28/05/2014 21:21

Is there much misogyny under the hashtag then, or is it largely ok?

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:20

Crotchmaven is someone not allowed to air their thoughts on a particular issue if no one of that calibre is on the thread themselves?

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:19

Downamong then there you go then. You have an actual reason to be worrying about it.

22honey · 28/05/2014 21:18

'So feminists shouldn't be concerned about things that don't directly affect them. If they are not at risk of FGM, honour killing, female foeticide personally (!?), they should not worry their pretty little heads about them, should not take any action around these things at all.'

No, try reading and comprehending correctly the whole post.

They said they were 'worried' about it. I can understand being concerned, angry but 'worried' about something that won't happen to you?

HermioneWeasley · 28/05/2014 21:16

Just a reminder that it's best not to feed trolls.

CrotchMaven · 28/05/2014 21:03

No, honey, I keep seeing you bang on about middle class feminists on here, so was wondering why you assumed that. If you don't think that, why do you keep railing at them if they aren't anywhere on here to listen?