'Asking for it'

I might not agree with how it's put across, but I can see what Mont is getting at. To a man inclined to rape, the mere existence of a woman is provocation enough. Not anything a woman does, just her existing in a place in which he has opportunity. I'm not convinced provocation is the right word for it though, because it suggests blame; that it's the woman's fault for daring to exist. Which is of course a hideous and abhorrent view.

May I borrow your Nail, scallops. Chaos has it again.

Neither know nor care if Mont is male, female or something in between. They sound like an arrogant young teenager trying out new words on adults they think are a bit dim iyswim.

To coin FloraFox on another thread: Nail. Head Basil

You don't say, basil?

I actually think Montmorency is a man. A particular sort of man as well.

He posts in that arrogant mansplainy way where he expects us all to defer to him.

Also he posts in an opaque, convoluted, pompous and unreadable shit.

I'm ignoring him as best I can but I think people should be aware of just what he's doing and not allow him to derail or monopolise the threads the way he has done. He's not here with a good intent.

You are quite capable of formulating an appropriate search-engine query on your own.

I'm sorry, I'm not very up on teen slang.

What does NO U mean? Is it text speak?

Trust me, "NO U" is neither becoming nor clever.

Well, just recognizing your presumption and prejudice is a start, so well done.

I'm sure you'll meet some nice friends somewhere soon.

There is quite a bit of presumption and prejudice in that post. I will not bother to correct it.

The good thing about forums of this size is that by statistics alone I should eventually encounter someone who doesn't respond in a deplorable manner from the very outset.

I don't think anyone will want your respect if you cannot post in a civilized and mature manner, though, will they? Without insults or mockery.

I'm sorry if you feel intimidated by people more educated than you. I do realize that can be difficult. But when you ask a lot of questions, you might expect you will get people responding who want to teach you. It's not something you need to feel sad about. We're used to it. We are, I suspect, a fair bit older than you.

"you may not realize how you are coming across, the way you post is really rude. "

If I 'let slip' some overt insults or mockery into my posts, it is because my respect is at first a given, but once it is lost I will respond accordingly.

"It is exceptionally foolish to assume you have the right or the capacity to put limits on other people's preferred modes of discussion or analysis."

Then let's call it mutual?

"It's horrible. Can you stop please."

"scallops is one of the most well-informed feminists I know."

Forgive me barging in, but I just wanted to say, mont, you may not realize how you are coming across, but the way you post is really rude.

You have one opinion on how you want to carry out discussion and analysis. It is not how these things 'must' be carried out. It is exceptionally foolish to assume you have the right or the capacity to put limits on other people's preferred modes of discussion or analysis.

scallops is one of the most well-informed feminists I know. You could learn a great deal from her.

I've asked you to stop. Please respect that.

No it isn't the way discussion and analysis must to be carried out.

"There is no provocation from the side of the woman."

Reread this:

There is indeed provocation in rape. That's precisely the problem.

The sheer presence or vulnerability of a woman should not constitute a provocation, and that it does to too many men (and women) is something that must be tackled directly and explicitly.

In other words, men's attitudes are bad - "the issue is with the man's attitude". YSWIS?

"However what is really annoying me is the detached nature"
"Just a couple of examples. It's horrible. Can you stop please."

That is exactly how sober discussion and analysis must be carried out. I refuse to subject readers to sentimentality and platitude.

You were the one that said: "With rape, if there is any provocation involved then it is surely usually of a comparatively-passive sort." I'm saying no. There is no provocation from the side of the woman.

However what is really annoying me is the detached nature with which you are discussing this as if rape happens to some other people. Rape happens to us, women. We live it. We live with the consequences of rape culture too.

"We must also take into account..." Really? Must we? It's as if you are doing a research paper and laying out he parameters.
"Summing up:..." like a some kind of report.

Just a couple of examples. It's horrible. Can you stop please.

I find it difficult to believe then, that you would express such vehement disapproval towards a perspective that is substantially identical to your own.

I read them, unfortunately, several times.

Ok, now I'm certain you didn't even bother to read my posts.

No I'm sure you don't follow.

Rape happens to real women thousands of times a week in the UK alone. Not one of those women provoked their attacker. None. Their attacker felt entitled to cross those women's boundaries. Nothing in the woman's behaviour prompted that because the issue is with the man's attitude. That was there before the woman came along. It has fuck all to do with criminal predisposition or whatever bollocks you were spouting in your second paragraph of 22:20.

scallop:

I'm afraid I don't follow.