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This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

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rootypig · 26/05/2014 16:09

Daily Mail is framing a teenage girl as being at the root of the Santa Barbara shootings, because she 'teased' the perpetrator (according to his 'manifesto'). They have posted pictures of her (with her face pixelated, some concession), in varying states of undress, of course (bikinis, short shorts, things that best fit the narrative).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2639555/Meet-model-named-Santa-Barbara-killer-reason-saw-women-mean-cruel-heartless-creatures.html

I loathe them already, but this has shocked me. The poor girl. How can they get away with this?

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RyvitaBerry · 26/05/2014 17:38

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rootypig · 26/05/2014 17:36

Hmm. There are issues in what you raise, Spittin, but they don't speak at all to what I'm raising, which is the way that this girl is being shamed on the world's most viewed website, the deep misogyny that is so casually spewed out for public consumption. This boy fucking SHOT other people. Why is she the focus? why her sexual conduct? why her body?

I'm sorry that your son experienced what this girl did to him, but surely the response is, some people can be awful? I don't doubt that young men torment young women in at least equal number.

What you're talking about is essentially provocation, which the law here makes provision for - presumably there is a comparable defence in the US. A charge of murder can be reduced if there was a loss of control due to a qualifying trigger - if the defendant was in fear of serious violence, or had a 'justifiable sense of being seriously wronged', whatever that means (not a lawyer). The fear of violence has to come from the victim, I'm not sure about being seriously wronged. Ie if A wrongs B, B shoots C.

My point is, I sincerely doubt that this young woman's behaviour falls within the bounds of what the criminal law decrees relevant.

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SpittinFevvers · 26/05/2014 17:34

so you do know where she lives don't you?

After the police got involved her parents moved her to be with other relatives.

I don't care what she said to him and I think you post is disgraceful.

Think what you like Flora.

When your (disabled) child gets picked on so that they are in a crying heap day after day for months on end, THEN you'll know what it feels like to be a mother.

So don't any of you slate me because I can see things also from the other side.

MmeLindor · 26/05/2014 17:33

Jesus, Spitting. Do you REALLY want to say something like that, when 6 people are dead?

I feel sorry for anyone who is treated unkindly and nastily by another person, no matter which gender, but it is never ever justification for killing someone.

This girl doesn't deserve to have her name and life splattered across the tabloids because a very disturbed young man named her in his rantings. She has nothing to do with this. If it hadn't been her, it would have been someone else.

thecatfromjapan · 26/05/2014 17:32

I'm loving your sense of equivalence spittinfevvers. Seriously, though, I can see that that would be extremely distressing for you as a parent. And I really mean that - there is no passive aggressive intent on my part. But I would say it's skewing your judgment here a bit.

A man has gone out and killed and maimed because he hates women. We could have guessed that anyway, but in this instance, helpfully, he told us.

We are now enjoying the spectacle of the mainstream communication networks desperately trying to ignore the reasons he did this. A tricky feat, one might feel.

And now we have the Daily Mail picking a woman/girl and publicly vilifying her on a global stage. She is, effectively, selected as a target.

Not only is it a hate crime against a particular woman/girl, it is also a mis-direction of the real reasons underlying a killing spree. The hateful misogyny that drove this crime, that implicates all men, and society is deflected ... onto a woman.

And ... last but by no means least, it sends out a message to all women: Be fearful; We could pick you out too.

I dread to think what this poor woman's life is like at the moment. I should imagine she is looking at her future with real fear.

That, in my opinion, is a hate crime.

I've hated the Daily Mail with a passion I can barely keep inside my skin since they ran the story blaming the poor for the murders of those children. This doesn't surprise me at all. What amazes me is people's capacity to overlook how serious and real this kind of media hate crime is.

FloraFox · 26/05/2014 17:30

spittinfevvers do you think that's an appropriate comment about someone who is being blamed for the murder of 6 people? You don't even know what she did. Since this man felt he was entitled to sex from women, who killed people because women would not "give" him sex, that you should accept his account? Even if she was a bitch to him, he killed people because he hates women for fucks sake, I don't care what she said to him and I think you post is disgraceful.

Nancy66 · 26/05/2014 17:30

spittin - if she was abusing a disabled child then why didn't you go to the police? That's illegal. And you said she lived on your road - so you do know where she lives don't you?

SpittinFevvers · 26/05/2014 17:28

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magoria · 26/05/2014 17:28

Bloody hell the small print says they don't think she has been in contact with him since 8th grade so 13/14 year olds. She was a year below him so 12/13 so not in contact for best part of 8 or 9 years and they think it is OK to plaster pictures of her now all over their papers.

Talk about trying to twist things and blame the young woman she is now for deliberate actions now rather than the child she was.

passmethewineplease · 26/05/2014 17:27

Its wrong to single that poor girl out.

He is at fault, nobody made him kill those innocent people.

SuburbanRhonda · 26/05/2014 17:25

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Nancy66 · 26/05/2014 17:24

His manifesto felt exactly like reading Brett Easton Ellis' Less Than Zero

Nancy66 · 26/05/2014 17:23

you honestly think the DM were the only news organisation to contact her?

BethDaze · 26/05/2014 17:23

The amount of people (mostly men) who are trying to pin this on women and now specific women/girls.

It's not us, it's the problem of a twisted young man who thought that he deserved an attractive blonde girlfriend and the attention of women because he was a 'nice guy' (if they have to say it, they probably aren't) and a 'superior gentlemen'. It's also a problem of the fringe communities that helped him foster his terrible misogynistic views and made him feel entitled to women, and angry when that didn't work out.

Articles like this don't even have to actively blame the woman for being at fault for this (which she was not), they just have to exist, the implication is enough and it's damaging and reinforcing a negative narrative on women.

/rant over.

SpittinFevvers · 26/05/2014 17:23

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Nancy66 · 26/05/2014 17:22

I don't think it's that bad, no.

EddieStobbart · 26/05/2014 17:22

Oh, she won't be missing the article even though it is in a UK based publication - they've been in touch with her for a comment! Oddly enough, she's yet to reply.

Fuckers.

Itsfab · 26/05/2014 17:20

Hardly the same, Spittin. No one is dead in your story.

SuburbanRhonda · 26/05/2014 17:19

Perhaps you should have helped your DS build up some resilience, Spittin, rather than come on here and make comments that seem to support men shooting women who upset them.

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mrsruffallo · 26/05/2014 17:15

You do know you are bumping up their viewing figures linking to that?

SpittinFevvers · 26/05/2014 17:13

I had a girl in our road torment, belittle, jeer at, and be a total bitch to my son for nearly 2 years. She nearly gave my son a nervous breakdown. THAT'S what I meant, that SOME girls can drive other people to breakdowns.

Itsfab · 26/05/2014 17:11

No one in their right mind will blame this woman for the fact that 7 people are dead.

rootypig · 26/05/2014 17:10

Re naming her - the DM isn't just naming her though, in fact it doesn't name her, which is very interesting on a couple of levels. In part it's driven by the legal requirements no doubt. But it also enables the dehumanising of her, she is every slut, for want of a better phrase. It is identifying her in other, much more damaging ways, showing pictures of her body, highlighting aspects of her lifestyle, insidiously shaming her and juxtaposing it with the murderer's blame for her. And I think just because something is on the internet, doesn't mean it should be in our national papers. People will find anything if they go looking for it on the internet. Journalism surely is informed by some kind of ethical standards?

Spittin, would you like to elaborate?

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PetiteRaleuse · 26/05/2014 17:08

Disgusting but unsurprising.

nancy you surely can't justify the mail's article? She may have been named in the manifesto but look at how they have slanted the article and pictures.

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