This is fucking disgraceful (Daily Mail)

I don't use any softer at all

The DM is worse than dangerous - it is amoral, pandering to the cheap buck at all cost, cynical drivel. That sadly seems to have a huge market.
I sometimes despair at humankind having got as far as it has when its ability to look beyond the headline is clearly a bit limited at times.
Then again, look at the result of recent elections and critical thinking seems to be a thin on the ground in other respects too…

Anyhoo, I digress, softeners, they can be bad for your skin, dontcha know.

The victims of this most recent shooting deserve nothing but our sympathy and respect (and that includes those who loved the shooter). It might be interesting to 'study' the shooter to learn how to spot his kind earlier.
How on earth the 'right to bear arms' in an constitutional amendment that was designed to allow a new country to raise an army without the say-so of a monarch translated into 'everybody and their dog has a right to owning an arsenal of weapons' I will never understand. That the gun lobby have a huge interesting in keeping it like that is easier to understand.

And wrt to how horrible some girls can be: I presume they can be just as horrible as some boys, non?
How many mass shootings have been carried out by young, disenfranchised females because they felt rejected by somebody they fancied?
I'd really like to know…

I peg my washing out the garden for that softener smell btw. Oh wait, softeners I trying to mimic the smell I get from pegging out the washing in my garden

What almondcakes said.

So a national newspaper is blaming a 10yo child, for a grown man going out and shooting loads of people dead.

It is total WTFsville isn't it.

DM are total fuckers.

That's interesting.

What softener do you all use?

Manifesto being a prime example that is.

Sounds interesting Scallops, yes to the language. Manifesto for sure.

She was TEN.

It is beyond ridiculous.

Yes Marsha I agree. Gavin de Becker in the Gift of Fear talks a lot about the language used by media and police with regards these crimes too and how as a result these crimes can be seen as attractive to others so inclined.

I agree the people that do these terrible things are given too much news time. It's a reward they shouldn't get.

Good grief.

So all the men I have turned down might one day blame me for their psychopathic tendencies?

(Note - there aren't that many, but frankly even one bloke I didn't sleep with blaming me some years later for being a murderer would be one too many)

I hate the Daily Mail

My washing softener looks like Angel Delight.

we're not allowed to just end conversations and go on with our day? We have to take responsibility for other people's actions now?

I'm all for being kind and we all know that it's nice to be nice. But that logic has me completely flummoxed,

Yes, honey, that person is definitely living in La La Land ManPleasing World

It's a very scary place.

Blimey.

It's like feminism never happened.

Women arguing that they have no right to go about their business without pandering to unwelcome intrusion by men?

Blimey.

' I understand he was denied sex with beautiful young girls. Is that what constitutes "bullying" in ManPleasing World ?'

A poster on another (mainstream showbiz type) forum I am discussing this on actually did suggest this in the form of saying 'his peers not talking to him' (ie girls) was bullying. This person went onto say that if a woman is being spoken to by a man in the street and doesnt want his attention, she should make things up to him rather than end the conversation in any way possible because it would hurt his ego.

Some people think utterly backwardly.

SO she did

ignore me, it's been a long night

Not sure if someone has pointed it out but her photo (non pixilated, bikini top) was printed in the telegraph today. I thought that was quite shitty.

"You say flattering, some might say unwanted harassment? Was she bullying him or not wanting the "flattery"?"

she said Flattening didn't she?

The daily Mail and anyone who does the same are fucked up if they choose to divert blame from the person who held the gun... Fucked up.

Some people need to listen to themselves.

what kind of right mind would choose to pass blame from the person who held the gun/wrote a 'manifesto'/threatened to kill his own sibling/professed to hate all women and so on, onto a person who was a child during the time he speaks about.

Really?

Who would do this and defend the killer?

OH and it sounds like I was about as popular as STDG in high school, and a virgin long after what is socially acceptable.

The difference is I didn't blame men for not fucking me, I blamed myself for not being "good enough".

If you've ever tried to stop an autistic teenager from flattening someone, you'd know where I was coming from.

You say flattering, some might say unwanted harassment? Was she bullying him or not wanting the "flattery"?

Speaking as someone who was bullied to the point of being suicidal by the age of 14, and as someone who never even had a boyfriend in school, because none of them ever asked me out - I do not, and never have even dreamt of using this as the justification for going on a killing spree.

I would not use violence on the boys who bullied me - would I like to meet them, and confront them with the reality of the harm they did? Hell, yes! I would love to tell them how much pain, and ongoing damage they caused. But nothing they did would be justification to use violence against them or against anyone else.

SpittinFevvers - it was boys who bullied me so badly for 5 years that I am still suffering mental health problems almost 33 years later - but does that make it OK for me to say that ALL boys (including yours) are, therefore, bullies? No, it doesn't. I am female, I was a girl at school - I didn't bully anyone. Yes, some PEOPLE are cruel, heartless bullies, who cause huge amounts of pain and damage to others - but it is not gender-specific, and it is stupid to say, or to imply, that it is.

SpittinFevvers

So are you happy for your dear son to become a mass murderer then? For him to kill half a dozen people who had not part in him being teased?

In fact are you encouraging him to think all women deserve to e murdered because one person teased him?

Look at any other serial killer in recent times who spouted hatred. Have the Daily Mail ran a "Meet the middle class white man that evil serial killer didn't like and blamed for his killing spree" Followed by lots of photos of said chap in his shorts.

Nope, of course they didn't.

The Daily Mail, on some level, agrees that there must be a woman to blame. Isn't there always? If it wasn't for that pesky Eve we would all be still in paradise.

It's not us, it's the problem of a twisted young man who thought that he deserved an attractive blonde girlfriend and the attention of women because he was a 'nice guy'

And why did he think he deserved that? Because society told him he did. A society where porn is in abundance, where sex is used to sell everything, where every woman is seen as an object to be owned, to be deserved & to be criticised for what she does/doesn't do.

I.e, too many partners = slut. Not "sexy" enough = rigid! Where men are congratulated on their conquests & feel lacking if they get to the age of 22, still a virgin.

Yes, he did a terrible terrible thing & it is solely his fault. NO, she is not to blame for his expectations & his lack of being able to achieve them. Regardless of how she treated him.

But we are missing a point here, the point that this guys expectations were fuelled by a society That peddles out images of "ready made" sexual objects. His generation is one of the first to grow up with free/easy access to the internet, to grow up surrounded by sexual imagery & the expectation that sex is there for the taking, by anyone & everyone.

I believe this goes some way to fuel his unrealistic expectations. The thing the bothered me is that a lot of comments I have read, ask 'why didn't he just pay for it [sex]' thus continuing to fuel the misogynistic attitude that caused this in the first place.