Justifying long term SAHM to DDs?

Dh refers to himself as not doing anything as he is currently out of work. Same as I did when on maternity cause at that time I wasnt but that doesnt make either of defensive its just is what it is

just definitely dispute its all out of work people that volunteer

I don't believe we did say ALL jasmine, we were just disputing the description of SAHMs as non-participative.

BTW do you refer to you hard-working SAH DH as 'out of work'? Does he mind?

And obviously looking after their own children,being happy,doing what is right for their children and working for their family has no value what so ever.

It's proof then jasmine. SAHM do nothing in the community. They must be a bunch of mindless lazy non starters. It's just as well they are not in the workplace then.

I never said it was just definitely dispute its all out of work people that volunteer that must be very area dependant.

So jasmine Where does the comparison stop? Does it mean more that they worked? Do you rate those who only work part time as lesser?

I could say in my experience of being a regular volunteer the ones that worked only did half the work, and took the same amount of credit, using work as an excuse not to do any of the more difficult jobs. However that would be very unfair of me, wouldn't it, because they are still giving up their time. So I do not believe this. Why don't you cut us the same slack? Think, there are reasons why it makes sense, for some, to be a SAHP.

If a family can afford to have a SAHP what business is it of anyone's?

The person who is the main runner of everything locally has 3 paid jobs and organises all community work. Through meeting her through a work thing I just the community group, did weekend charity work for various charities, after work meetings to improve the area, cleaning up off local area etc. My dh was working full time and was doing the youth side in evenings etc.

How do all these volunteers find the time during theh day to run the breastfeeding support groups, work for the NCT, and la Leche League, organise toddler groups and playgroups, help during school hours to go on trips, help in the classroom etc?

They must have very understanding employers.

Really jasmine?!

I do think that comes from being around the opportunities though as through work people say can you volunteer for this, that and the other and before you know it you are volunteering and running for everything as they know you will do it!

At the out of school clubs and nurseries I have worked at in the past most of the volunteers worked. We very rarely had ones that didnt but if they did they were doing it in order to get a job. All youth work, early years and primary volunteering including brownies, community groups, surestart board etc was ran by working mums/dads. It might vary from area to area but thats the way thinks are here.

^suits them. Typo.

Perhaps community facilities are not important to some people. Maybe to the people who are happy to have their children brought up by nurseries and after school clubs. You don't really need communities for that do you.

Scottishmummy I fully understand and am pleased to make the political statement I do.

I am content with my choice and I want to be enable other people to make the same choice, if it suites them.

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If you hold your breath and count to ten she'll tell us community facilities are unimportant.

Just a wee bit illiberal Scottishmummy.

You do realise scottish that SAHPs and retirees are the two main groups who hold our communities together and keep things running?

What do you think this country would look like if volunteering was outlawed tomorrow?

Non-participative my derriere.

Retro the only meaningful part of childcare is the pay cheque, apparently. i didn't get that memo either

Do you need it spelt out?the individual act of women working has sociopolitical impact
Just as the increasing age of primigravida has a impact inc health provision
Our individual acts are political,and have impact.and that's the op point how does being housewife impact on girls

Nonparticipative in what- a capitalistic, patriarchal financial system? A system that strives to marginalise and line the pockets of the few. And mothers who don't work are not supporting that system?

Well maybe that's a good thing. Because there is more to life than Mammon.

Most SAHMs are very participative in society, these are the people who are helping their communities, running playgroups, becoming voluntary breastfeeding counsellors, giving unpaid time and support to schools.

These women may be lost to the paid workforce but they are a very important part of our community and society.

Soooooo me working in a nursery(I never would as I don't think they're suitable for babies and the research backs it up)ok but me looking after my own babies not ok.

Sorry it's just utterly hysterical that you actually think this desirable.

Arf @ SAHM = non-participative

My individual act of working ft has sociopolitical impact.it drives need for nursery and Afterschool
Conversely housewife not working has sociopolitical impact,meaning some women are nonparticipative and lost to workforce

Excellent post Capsium.

Scottishmummy

Something that occurs on an individual level,has sociopolitical significance for others/society

Good, I am glad because there are people that are like me in this society, just as much as there are people like you. And I for one will not be squeezed out....

No neither am I.

How exactly does removing choice and making millions of mothers and children miserable become progress??

Only on MN.