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ReallyFuckingFedUp · 17/05/2014 00:11

So I have seen this expression a lot lately... and TERF gets thown out a lot when feminists are discussing things that are only capable of affecting biologically female women.

And I just can't get my head around it tbh. I don't think feminism should exclude people I think it helps everyone. I get really upset when white feminists forget about WOC or Lesbians, or other minority groups because the point of feminism is to make women's lives better. SO if there an issue that is unique to black women (for example) it is still all of our issue and should be dealt with by all feminist.

So if trans women want in on feminism why do they think can exclude the majority of women by saying we can't discuss our issues? And if trans people want to be accepted and have their rights championed by feminism is that fair since the majority of feminists aren't also suffering those same problems? Is it not a huge double standard?

Abortion rights and prenatal care and contraceptive health, vaginal rape. Are these things off the table now for feminism?

Am I getting it wrong, missing something? It feels to me like male privilege, telling women what they can and can't talk about..and doing so in a way where they actually feel guilty as though they have done something wrong.

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NotAgainTrevor · 12/06/2014 10:54

Cost us a major factor, not just in installing the cubicles but you would need to change the drainage. They would be much more time consuming, and therefore expensive, to clean. There is a safety issue if someone slips on the wet floor and blocks the door, with floor to ceiling cubicles you would not be able to see that they had gone down and no one would be able to climb over the top to help them.

Also, think of the effect on women from societies were it is shameful to be seen by another man. They are already far more likely to be marginalised from wider society and would restricted from life even further.

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 12/06/2014 10:36

tunip very good!

notagaintrevor What the actual fuck?I do wonder why actually they don't make proper walled cubicles when mixed sex changing rooms are made though... Also there is nothing stopping someone using the changing room and leaving a hidden camera is there?

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NotAgainTrevor · 12/06/2014 10:20

www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Marine-spied-changing-room-girl-11-mirror/story-21207079-detail/story.html

Why cubicles are not sufficient to protect women and girls in mixed sex areas. If it becomes a free for all we'll definitely see more things like this.

TunipTheUnconquerable · 12/06/2014 09:22

This is just fabulous.

Chunderella · 11/06/2014 16:09

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scallopsrgreat · 11/06/2014 14:08

Yy Tunip.

TunipTheUnconquerable · 11/06/2014 13:33

Actually, that's probably why it reads so horribly - the implication that he doesn't even HAVE to give reasons, we will just take him at his word that's it's all wrong because he's a man and we're just women.

TunipTheUnconquerable · 11/06/2014 12:15

Ah, but you don't have to analyse or argue when women say bad things. You just have to say they are nasty (use emotive language like 'ugly' or, of course, 'bigot') and tell them off.

juliascurr · 11/06/2014 12:01

very little actual analysis of the book
bit of an oversight in a book review

TunipTheUnconquerable · 11/06/2014 11:09

The scolding tone of that New Statesman post made me shudder. Men taking on their ancient role of keeping women in line. No acknowledgement that women's experiences and viewpoints actually matter.

scallopsrgreat · 11/06/2014 10:52

X-post with Really there! Took me ages to write that.

scallopsrgreat · 11/06/2014 10:50

Dontcha just love it when a man tells women how to do feminism. Zero analysis of male behaviour in that article or indication that men should take any responsibility for transgenderism and the harmful constructs of gender.

I think that there is a certain amount of encouragement from men that women take on transwomen within feminism. It's women's role after all to be helpful. Upholds that aspect of gender hierarchy. That way they don't have to look at the way they treat them or any of the other aspects of the hierarchy of gender. It helps men to use up women's energy arguing about this or accommodating transwomen as it deflects attention away from other male behaviour. And they also get to blame violence against them on radfems. Radfems become the common enemy. Because we can't have them gaining too much of a voice with their uncompromising attitudes towards women's liberation.

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 11/06/2014 10:36

Nice, I like it when men tell me how I should take my feminism.

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ReallyFuckingFedUp · 11/06/2014 09:12

I'm trying to understand why a person's "gender" is relevant when discussing them in changing rooms.

When you are naked all that matters is physical sex right? I don't give a fuck if you wear a dress, when the dress comes off, I don't want a strange naked man in the room with me.

Someone who likes women and has a penis, is a heterosexual man, and should not be there.

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ReallyFuckingFedUp · 11/06/2014 09:04

Sexual harassment. Of course.

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TunipTheUnconquerable · 11/06/2014 09:00

Does the video link explain what was meant by harassment?

ReallyFuckingFedUp · 11/06/2014 08:52

basil Angry Angry Angry Angry

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AskBasil · 11/06/2014 07:06

Just... well... what?

NotAgainTrevor · 10/06/2014 00:28

Can I please become a FAAB person who decided she was a woman just so her opinion counted for something just this one time.

NeilNeilOrangePeel · 10/06/2014 00:23

I'm sabrina, btw. nc'ed in awe of rik mayall.

NeilNeilOrangePeel · 10/06/2014 00:22

Sadly, I think you do. Going by transactivists, anyway.

NotAgainTrevor · 10/06/2014 00:17

I must admit to being a raging TERF as I just cannot understand the illogicalness of the trans activist argument.

I am a bigot as I do not want penises in female only safe spaces.
If someone says they feel female then they are, I have no right to question it, they should be allowed to enter female only spaces, even if they have a penis and have no desire to change sex.
Cis women don't need to be protected from unwanted penis or else they're bigots.
Transwomen should be protected from unwanted penis, as it could trigger them.
I was raped in public toilets. I have no right to police who should be allowed into public toilets, if she says she is a woman she is. If I disagree I'm a bigot.
Transwomen are allowed to reject penis, if cis women reject penis it is bigotry.

Biology with all it's scientific proof behind it is really just bigotry
Gender without any proof behind it is fact.

Do I actually have this right?

BriarRainbowshimmer · 09/06/2014 23:18

Yes rosabud it's really shocking isn't.
And I even saw a "male dyke" today wtf!
Or perhaps it was just an ordinary sexist bloke with an ironic t-shirt. Difficult to tell the difference.