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Stranger "hits" DD - am I over-reacting?

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rosabud · 14/05/2014 23:17

My DD is 17. Today she was on the bus on the way home from school (6th form so not in uniform). It was crowded and old people were tutting at her and making it obvious she should give up her seat for them (there were free seats towards the back of the bus - not sure that is relevant). Nomally she would have given up her seat but she was tired, had been in an AS exam which had gone horribly wrong and her back was hurting. Personally, I think she should still have given up her seat.......but don't think that's an excuse for what happened next.

A seat behind her became vacant and, as an old man (in his 70s, she thinks) sat down in it, he hit/slapped her across the shoulder ('quite' hard - but not hard enough to cause injury) and told her that she should give up her seat for an old man next time. DD apologised and tried to explain about the exam and her back - but he did not answer her. Old people continued to tut at her and she sat there and cried!

She should have given up her seat, I think. But I am really angry that a man thinks he had the right to hit/slap her! Would he have done that to an older person like myself? Would he have done that to a teenage boy - I don't think so, surely he would have been too wary of being punched back?!

I am so cross! How dare he?! Am I over-reacting?

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serendippity · 15/05/2014 16:44

This is crazy. Man was in the wrong, that is a fact. Op's daughter was suffering with a bad back and was sitting in a seat, Clearly an unpopular opinion but I don't think that was wrong at all.
All these people saying she should "get some manners", someone said it before I think, but I think the people tutting because someone has the nerve to sit in a seat allocated for people who need them but happen to be under the age of 80, need a serious lesson.
I suffer with a really bad back (down to a horse riding accident when I was 7) and can't stand for very long at all before being in a lot of pain, so I too am guilty of the crime of being in a seat on a crowded bus, possibly even in the presence of old people!
I've also been yelled at by an old person and informed I "am in the elderly peoples seats" when I was 4 months pregnant and about to pass out.
I am a considerate person and very, very polite, have always made sure my children are polite and have been told many times by total strangers how well mannered they are.
However threads like this drive me crazy, no one has the right to touch anyone else like this man did, and just because someone is oldere doesn't automatically make them hard done by!!

BriarRainbowshimmer · 15/05/2014 16:43

^Oh that's it, teen girl MUST be exaggerating.
No wonder so many teen girls don't report abuse, sexual or otherwise.^

Yeah. Sad

Reddeb · 15/05/2014 16:40

Or a man assaulting a boy, this does happen too as I've said from my experience. I suppose there are still power inequalities older man younger boy, but not a gender issue.

FrigginRexManningDay · 15/05/2014 16:39

Teen girls are PRONE to exaggerating Hmm Are you kidding me? Some teen girls, some teen boys, some men, some women.

We are trying to teach our girls and young women that they do not have to put up with unwanted touching, comments or attention. That they have a right to their own bodies. And here we have a thread immediately chastising a young woman, accusing her of exaggerating and basically saying she is wrong and caused the situation. Shows what a long way we have to go. Fucking depressing Sad .

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 15/05/2014 16:39

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kinsorange · 15/05/2014 16:39

No man or woman has a right to hit another man or woman, regardless of age [unless they are about 2 years old[and unless they are mentally ill][and unless it is self defence]

Martorana · 15/05/2014 16:36

Yep- that's the one!

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 15/05/2014 16:35

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Roussette · 15/05/2014 16:34

Buffy I am just saying in this instance it could just have easily been an elderly lady having a go at a young lad. You are twisting my words and making sweeping generalisations as to what I mean. I am commenting on this paricular instance - I am not talking about the whole of womanhood in society.

Martorana · 15/05/2014 16:32

Don't be silly, Buffy- somebody's husband got his bum smacked in Liverpool a few years ago. Of course women being violent to men is a huge issue....................

It only doesn't make the press because of the feminazi stranglehold on the media.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 15/05/2014 16:24

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Martorana · 15/05/2014 16:19

"I can't think of this as a gender issue."

There are people who find it hard to think of anything as a gender issue- I think the Mumsnet phrase is "what about the menz?"

HotSauceCommittee · 15/05/2014 16:17

DH got his bum smacked in Liverpool City centre by a bridesmaid a few years ago. He was delighted too.

Spot on Tequilla, re your post on teenage girls accused of exaggerating. No wonder they are hesitant to disclose abuse indeed.SadAngry

Roussette · 15/05/2014 16:12

Absolutely right Tequila - although my DH got his bum pinched in the pub last week - it made his day.

Reddeb · 15/05/2014 16:12

I stood there mouth open wide for a few moments. Then went and told museum curator who had him removed. I did wonder later if I should have reported him to the police, but truthfully it was meant to be a nice day out and I didn't want to ruin it further by taking a trip down to the police station for the rest of the day. I don't know if I did the right thing though.

ChuckitintheBucket · 15/05/2014 16:12

To all you victim blamers just take the word elderly out of the OP, you are then left with "man hit 17 year old girl". Still acceptable is it?

TequilaMockingbirdy · 15/05/2014 16:05

Male teens don't end up getting slapped on the arse.. aka sexual abuse.

MyMannateeBringsTheBoystotheYa · 15/05/2014 16:02

Reddeb, Shock what did you do?

Roussette · 15/05/2014 15:58

OK... I rephrase that. TEEN girls are prone to exaggeration. Not all of them. SOME of them. Also there are feisty old women out there who would quite easily chastise a young male teen, I can't think of this as a gender issue.

Reddeb · 15/05/2014 15:47

I saw

Reddeb · 15/05/2014 15:45

The man was wrong to hit her, regardless of any perceived bad behaviour on her part. I'm not sure it is a gender issue. I was at a museum with my son, when he walked inadvertently in front of an older man blocking his view of an exhibit. The man kicked him, hard! I know u saw the whole thing, in shock. My son didn't retaliate he was just too shocked also.

TequilaMockingbirdy · 15/05/2014 15:45

Oh that's it, teen girl MUST be exaggerating.

No wonder so many teen girls don't report abuse, sexual or otherwise.

TequilaMockingbirdy · 15/05/2014 15:44

I don't give a flying fuck if she didn't move or whether she was right to stay sat down, he had absolutely no right putting his hands on her. Vile man.

scallopsrgreat · 15/05/2014 15:42

Gender isn't irrelevant. It was a man hitting a girl. It wasn't a woman hitting a girl. Or a girl hitting a man. Or a woman hitting a man.

Very specific power dynamics going on there. You only hit people you feel entitled to hit. In the society we live in male violence against women is a huge issue. It is ignored and minimised. This man felt fully entitled to hit this girl and he knew that because society tells him its OK.

Quangle · 15/05/2014 15:33

Well, the OP said "hit" in inverted commas in her title. So I think that's what is causing the questioning here. She put the word in inverted commas as I assume she is not quite sure what happened and nor, perhaps, is her DD. Hence not knowing what's the appropriate level of response. It's not necessarily victim blaming going on - it's trying to picture what actually happened.