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Can I be pro-choice, but still really dislike some reasons and timing?

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CuntyBunty · 24/04/2014 12:04

Can I?
I really dislike celeb culture and try not to expose myself to it, if at all possible.
I think we all know who I am talking about here, but didn't want to go on the other AIBU as it was "too too" and I wouldn't get much out of a piley-in to put the boot in.
In this case, can my contempt transcend gender? I had to Google who JC was the other day and we have very different values, but I do know that I am more privileged; better start in life, higher expectations etc.
I in no way think she should have the baby if she doesn't want it, no good could come of an enforced pregnancy, but I don't think my feelings really come from a concern for her welfare.
I have been honest here in an attempt to be better educated by the FWR posse, but I'm a bit of a mediocre feminist, aren't I?

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PenguinsLoveFishFingers · 24/04/2014 12:42

Ok, so I've had a google and read a bit about JC.

I agree with everything Buffy has said. To me, that article says a lot about the hideous 'celebrity' culture. She reads like a woman who either has serious mental health issues going on, or whose perception of value (hers, other people's) has been so distorted by a misogynistic and shallow 'celeb' culture that she has lost sight of how normal people who make and view such a decision.

On a FWR thread a while back, someone linked to a sample of case studies of women presenting to for a termination up against the legal limit. I think it was Marie Stopes. The stories were heartbreaking. Mostly young girls in denial about the pregnancy, drug addicts or others whose life circumstances were similar dire and chaotic and women in abusive relationships. Not JC types.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 24/04/2014 12:34

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evertonmint · 24/04/2014 12:29

I feel that I can be fully pro-choice (on demand, to term) while privately disagreeing with some people's reasons and/or timings, and still be a feminist. For me, it is about supporting women in
having the legal right to full control over their own bodies. It doesn't mean I have to personally agree with how an individual then chooses to act when they have that right.

I personally have never felt I could ever choose a very late abortion. I am currently not even in a position where I could consider an abortion for me, full stop. I am lucky to have not been in such a situation in the past either, but, who knows, I may be in the future. But I'm damned sure I want that option available for all women as my circumstances are not and never will be the same as anybody else's.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 24/04/2014 12:27

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CuntyBunty · 24/04/2014 12:26

Thanks Penguins. I guess I'm struggling with the fact that she is being held up as a media hate figure and I dislike the fact that I am not feeling much concern for Josie Cunningham.

I absolutely don't think she should have the baby if she is that set against it.
I had an early termination and said so on that awful pro-life thread. It was necessary and I didn't feel the regret and remorse (as I said on the other thread, Marie Stopes must have run out of sack cloth and ashes on that day) that the media and wider society say we must show.

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PenguinsLoveFishFingers · 24/04/2014 12:17

I have steered clear of that AIBU thread and I actually don't know what celeb you are on about. But I do think it's a valid topic for a separate thread to the main debate - if you identify as a feminist, do you have to support abortion on demand and to term?

I have said before that, if we what we are talking about on 'timing' is late abortions, it is ok to feel emotionally conflicted about it. On one level, I believe women must have bodily autonomy, which would support abortion to term. On the other hand, I can't shake deep upset at the idea of a 35 week foetus being terminated when it would be considered an almost full term healthy baby if it had been delivered. For me, it's one of those issues which I can accept not intellectually resolving, because it is so unlikely to ever become a pressing practical issue in the UK - no government is going to propose on demand abortion to term. So I focus on defending the rights that already exist, etc.

I also think it's ok to think that people have shitty reasons for a decision whilst believing absolutely that the law should allow them to make that decision. I have a friend who had a termination for reasons I thought were very superficial. I admit, I did struggle a bit with that. But I never let on and was supportive. And I would defend to the hilt the fact that the law was on her side in making the decision. I don't think that that makes me a 'bad' feminist. I don't think being a feminist means that you have to believe that termination is a decision people can and should take lightly. In fact, you can believe that termination is an sad and awful thing which you would never do yourself - but still be pro choice because you believe it should be safe, accessible and lawful for those with different views.

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