What are feminists actually like?

he once accidentally pee'd on a pair of adders

How did the adders react? I can imagine they'd have been quite fed up. I would have been.

I could be talked into a urinal free society, I'm sure. I hate men weeing all over the place and/or leaving the seat up. Men's toilets smell. And women are usually the ones that clean them.

Women everywhere - forget equal pay, sexual equality, an end to male violence/rape culture. Let's unite to stop men standing up to pee! All hail!!

So soxuhupe you are presumably nozubar? Have you gone off to change your name again? are you also the awol OP?

And no, you won't be banned for being a man. This isn't Reddit.

No particular need to invoke gender for Reddit, the female posters in here would be banned from Reddit in a heartbeat if they postured anything negative about Belle Knox and choice feminism.

Wilson - mine too. Except when out on walks, of course... he once accidentally pee'd on a pair of adders, which I contend is the most interesting thing anyone is likely to say about vertical weeing.

Do you have a 1 in 4 chance of being raped or sexually assaulted in your lifetime soxu.

I do.

oooh have we silenced him? come on soxu, come out to play

My DH sits down to pee. He likes to have a little read while he wazzes, and it means there's no seat up/down arguments in our house. He's not even a feminist sox. What should I do about my urinal-rejecting DH? Will no-one think of the urinals???

Then quit whining about urinals in your safe developed rich free-speech country and go fight for women's rights in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

Why can't I find a new bingo card when I need one?

'go fight for women's rights in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.'

Feminists typically do that, while at the same time continuing to push for true equality closer to home too.

Good lord, here's a ripe one. Feminists conspiring against peeing? Next thing you know they'll be murdering two male partners a week.

You know I've had a quick hunt for anything approaching the "peeing standing up is an unacceptable macho gesture" thing but can only find a Spectator article by Jasper Gerard. I suspect he might have been.....er...taking the piss?

soxu there is only one person who is whining about urinals here, and it is you

You want to help women who really are oppressed? Then quit whining about urinals in your safe developed rich free-speech country and go fight for women's rights in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.

soxu, have you ever experienced sexual violence, as a victim?

Do wipe your own mess up won't you Soxu.

Nothing to stop women standing up to pee except our knickers. Poor women in Victorian times used to pee over the gutters in the street.

The Left Party must give its PR agency a bonus - a proposal made by a party with less than 6% of the vote in Sweden has become an internet cause celebre. Job done, presumably.

I hope it's not against NM guidelines to point out feminism today in developed countries is a complete joke.

Actually I don't really care what the guidelines are.

soxu I hope it's not against MN talk guidelines to point out that you're a right saddo

I always thought men stood to pee because it's simply quicker and more convenient, but I thank feminists for revealing the shocking revelation to me.

Yes soxu. That is an excellent precis of feminism!

Though actually I do agree that men generally piss on the floor and women generally wipe it up

You know, I could easily find some bonkers MRA articles to show how virulently anti woman they are, and say that this shows that all men are virulently anti woman,But I wouldn't- because it's not true.I've tried to have a sensible discussion- but it hasn't worked. Off you pop and rant about urinals somewhere else.

brb folks I gotta go pee triumph in my masculinity and degrade women by extension

Like........the implication they are not normal, soxu?

Young women in Sweden, Germany and Australia have a new cause: They want men to sit down while urinating.

This demand comes partly from concerns about hygiene avoiding the splash factor but, as Jasper Gerard reports in the English magazine The Spectator, ''more crucially because a man standing up to urinate is deemed to be triumphing in his masculinity, and by extension, degrading women.'' One argument is that if women can't do it, then men shouldn't either. Another is that standing upright while relieving oneself is ''a nasty macho gesture,'' suggestive of male violence.

A feminist group at Stockholm University is campaigning to ban all urinals from campus, and one Swedish elementary school has already removed them. Some Swedish women are pressuring their men to take a stand, so to speak. Yola, a 25-year-old Swedish trainee psychiatrist, says she dumps boyfriends who insist on standing. ''What else can I do?,'' said her new boyfriend, Ingvar, who sits.