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privilege and prostitution

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ezinma · 26/03/2014 15:15

Appearing in my social media today is one of those sharp and sassy thoughts for the day that I’m invited to approve by sharing. Where better to share it than here:

So, you are against prostitution. But you're an attractive person with a boyfriend. Who I assume you have sex with. That gives you privilege. Some people aren't so lucky. The only way they can get laid is by paying for it. Why do you think you have the right to experience one of life's fundamental experiences and others don't?

It’s from tumblr so we ought to make some allowances. Let’s, if we may, overlook the fact that I am a middle-aged frump with a civil partner; the debatable contention that sex, in and of itself, is one of life’s fundamental experiences; the erasure of women who aren’t “lucky” enough to have a boyfriend and whose right to A Fundamental Experience presumably requires them to seduce a partner using skills that cannot be withdrawn from a bank machine; and the regrettable (though now unavoidable) misuse of ‘privilege’ to refer to any old scenario where one group of people has a little bit more access to something than another group does. (Have I missed anything?)

What remains is the daring suggestion that a woman might be against prostitution because she is attractive. Since it's already well established that we fat old frumps are against prostitution — no glamorous john would waste his beer money on buying our flabby arses, and we are bitter about it! — then I’m left with only one conclusion: a woman’s attractiveness has no influence on her opinions about prostitution.

A lightbulb moment for me. Thanks, tumblr. Hmm

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FloraFox · 26/03/2014 21:26

When the Pussy Club opened near Stuttgart in 2009, the management advertised the club as follows: "Sex with all women as long as you want, as often as you want and the way you want. Sex. Anal sex. Oral sex without a condom. Three-ways. Group sex. Gang bangs." The price: €70 during the day and €100 in the evening.

According to the police, about 1,700 customers took advantage of the offer on the opening weekend. Buses arrived from far away and local newspapers reported that up to 700 men stood in line outside the brothel. Afterwards, customers wrote in Internet chat rooms about the supposedly unsatisfactory service, complaining that the women were no longer as fit for use after a few hours.

Baleno · 26/03/2014 21:24

Don't prostituted women work more than 6 hours a day then?

They could, but it still doesn't add up. Numbers, times and stream of clients don't add up. If it looks unlikely then it is unlikely. Don't believe everything that people say.

Don't they 'service' more than one client at once?

Few men have that fantasy. That doesn't help the uninterrupted stream of clients needed for the numbers.

FloraFox · 26/03/2014 21:24

www.spiegel.de/international/germany/human-trafficking-persists-despite-legality-of-prostitution-in-germany-a-902533.html

A line often formed outside Alina's room. She says that she eventually stopped counting how many men got into her bed. "I blocked it out," she says. "There were so many, every day."

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:21

You can easily fit 10-12 15min appointments into a day, baleno.

If you're talking punters in the back their car - probably far more.

If you're talking trafficked women held prisoner in a "brothel" - probably far far more.

WhentheRed · 26/03/2014 21:18

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FloraFox · 26/03/2014 21:17

So are you a punter?

the-invisible-men.tumblr.com/

Check out number 147

Baleno · 26/03/2014 21:16

Baleno NEWSFLASH: there are 24 hours in a day!

NEWSFLASH: people sleep, eat and do other stuff, hence they can't do anything 24 hours a day.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:16

Yes, we mustn't forget the 'finders' fees, Flora.

Of course baleno's a punter. What else?

[weseehim]

scallopsrgreat · 26/03/2014 21:15

Don't prostituted women work more than 6 hours a day then? Don't they 'service' more than one client at once?

FloraFox · 26/03/2014 21:13

sabrina - it was actually £18 as she had to give 40% to the "friend" (that was for anal while pregnant).

Baleno NEWSFLASH: there are 24 hours in a day!

are you a punter?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:12

FL is an established poster, balerno - not one I agree with in general - but an established poster, nonetheless.

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:08

Baleno, I guess you talk to them a bit, yeah. Good for you, stretch it out a bit.

Baleno · 26/03/2014 21:06

I don't know about this. I did once see a documentary in which a woman described how she was sold into prostitution in Belgium, and basically lay on her back all day with punter after punter coming in for a quick go. She said she serviced between 100 - 120 men a day, for a few minutes each.

We have a troll.

If you are in a flat where men arrive for blocks of time between half an hour and two hours, there's plenty of time.

No, there isn't. Even half an hour each for 12 clients makes 6 hours. And that assumes that there was an uninterrupted stream of clients. Doubtful. Open your eyes.

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:06

"Parties" I believe. Men queuing up to have sex in front of each other. Repulsive...objectively and subjectively and whichever way you want to fucking spin it.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:05

And men old enough to be her grandfather.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:04

She did 15 minutes iirc. For £30 a time. And gang bangs.

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:03

Baleno, so feminists talk shit and the women living the experience of prostitution talk shit too ?

Hmm. Who are the Holders of the Truth then ? Punters like you ?

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 21:02

No, Loris, you really don't want to. Punters "rate" their experience for other punters. It's horrifying reading and I won't reproduce any of it on a parenting website. Suffice to say, it's like a price comparison website for cunts.

It's certainly rather different to comparing plumbers on CheckATrade.com

FloraFox · 26/03/2014 21:01

You are not logical baleno. How do the "numbers" not stack up? If you were including time driven to the Ritz, ordering of champagn, quaffing of champagne, tottering upstairs, having a bubble bath, giving and receiving sensual massage then sex, I can see there would be a problem with the numbers. If you are in a flat where men arrive for blocks of time between half an hour and two hours, there's plenty of time.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 21:00

If you don't want to look p-nternet, FastLoris, may I suggest This?

Do let us know what you think.

FastLoris · 26/03/2014 20:56

Loris, have you ever looked at the Punternet site ? It's an education.*

No, and something tells me I probably don't want to...

Baleno · 26/03/2014 20:56

Baleno, you doubt her testimony then ?

From what you have reported: yes, I do. Should we believe anything people say?

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 26/03/2014 20:56

Well, in my opinion, neo, having sex with someone who doesn't want sex with you is rape. Punters think they can buy consent - by paying someone who doesn't want to have sex with them, to have sex with them. I don't agree that you can buy consent.

But the real question - which nobody ever answers, is why do punters want to have sex with someone that doesn't want to have sex with them?

But even if we don't go down that route - statistics show that about half of all prostitutes have been raped by punters. Is that acceptable?

FastLoris · 26/03/2014 20:55

I doubt that there are prostitutes who have sex with 10-12 clients a day. If there are, they must be a minority, because numbers don't add up.

I don't know about this. I did once see a documentary in which a woman described how she was sold into prostitution in Belgium, and basically lay on her back all day with punter after punter coming in for a quick go. She said she serviced between 100 - 120 men a day, for a few minutes each.

Urghh....

AnyFucker · 26/03/2014 20:54

Loris, have you ever looked at the P*unternet site ? It's an education.