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Put off biking.

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wizzzadora · 25/03/2014 11:46

Hello all, long time reader first time poster.

I've recently been toying with the idea of fulfilling a lifes ambition of mine and that is to learn to ride a motorcycle. I have looked into all the laws and requirements and have even put a deposit down on a little 125.

While searching for more information on riding I came across a bikers website that was both busy and had loads of information I could use.

Now the problem is I am absolutely appalled by the level of misogyny that appears to run through the biking community. One post really brought that home to me....

www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=3853062&highlight=#3853062
(I hope it's ok to link it here).

This quickly led to what can only be described as a vile torrent of abuse aimed at a woman that did nothing more than make a sensible comment. Suffice to say she was driven off the site quite quickly....

www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=287211
I know it sounds weak but I'm now very much put off going to bike meets or runs because of the obvious hatred so many seem to harbour be it overtly or secretly.

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Bifauxnen · 26/03/2014 16:22

I never saw a penis. There was just a pink oblong shape which I know wasn't a penis cos it had corners.

Pantah630 · 26/03/2014 16:21

See the homophobia riles me up more than the misogyny. I'm not a violent woman but crikey I'd like to give them a slap upside the head. The dating thread, I had to close in disgust, it was blatantly obvious why he needed to resort to a dating site, no sane woman would touch him.

Yambabe · 26/03/2014 16:12

like Wink

TheGirlFromIpanema · 26/03/2014 16:11

Well I am pleased you enjoyed my posts Pantah & Buffy Thanks I am only learning how to articulate my feminists principles and mostly get it wrong I think.

I didn't report the penis pic one though, I quite wanted it to stay with my response underneath Grin

Do you think it was his actual cat/penis?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/03/2014 16:10

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Yambabe · 26/03/2014 16:08

Some of us are still here Wink

Wrong about them being wannabe bikers btw, I was trying to explain that many of them are more what I would call pedbois.

I have certainly never said that there is no sexism, mysogyny or even bullying on BCF. There is, lots. It tends to be mostly perpetrated by the younger element and there is no excuse for it. There is however perhaps a need to show the bottom-feeders the error of their ways, and if you sift through the dross there are many good people over there (male and female) who are happy to stand up and do that.

Anyway, I didn't come here for that, I came to assure the OP that she could achieve her "lifetime ambition" if she wants. Smile And I'm just popping in here every now and again cos I'm having a look at what else you lot are gassing about today...... Grin

wizzzadora · 26/03/2014 16:08

And I'd just like to add I booked my CBT today Grin

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wizzzadora · 26/03/2014 16:07

All I can say is I'm really glad to know it isn't just me that's shocked by the way they treat women. They make you think that it's your fault for overreacting and that you should take any vile comment on the chin to prove how liberated you are. If you dare to say that's out of order then you are nothing more than a weak willed woman.

An excerpt from the thread that we're meant to take as a joke:-

Are you that much of a faggot?

Shouldn't you be crying on tumblr right now?

Do you even know what sexism is?

Why are you such a faggot?

Did daddy never love you?

Are you "crying right now, please leave me alone"?

Do you enjoy living life on easy mode?

Why are you so delusional?

Seriously, why are you such a faggot?

You think we're sexist? Do you REALLY know what sexism is, or does it just mean "something I don't like"?

Why do you follow an ideology based on irrationality and emotions?

Why do you eschew all responsibility?

Why do you want to be able to do whatever you want without consequence?

Come on now, why are you such a faggot?

If I said I will rape you to death, would you be stupid enough to take it seriously and cry to the n00zpapers?

Do you think Anita Sarkeesian is the heroine of our time?

Do dongles make you afraid?

You must be a gigantic faggot.

Thank you all here at MN for at least offering some balance.

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BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/03/2014 16:05

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Pantah630 · 26/03/2014 16:04

Pillion riders see, not bikers Grin

elfycat · 26/03/2014 16:03

Could you consider taking up knitting or jam making instead

As a theatre nurse I have had to remove a knitting needle from someone's thigh. They sat on the sofa and impaled themselves on it. It wasn't too near the femoral artery but was a bit concerning. Just to point out knitting had its risks. Also sewing needles and treading on them is not a good idea (you need a needle to sew knitted pieces together). I've helped surgically remove several.

Jam making. Do you have any idea how hot and dangerous boiling sugar is? It's 104 degrees in case you didn't and it doesn't run off if you get it on your skin. Again skin grafts are an operating theatre thing. Another dangerous past time dismissed.

I do both of these and now realise what a risk taker I am.

OP go ahead with the biking. Do a risk assessment, including the risk of running into misogynists.

Pantah630 · 26/03/2014 16:03

Must say that this handmaiden to a group of mutual masturbators is the best line I've read in a long time, though disturbing. I'm trying to think how I can work it in on F&R Grin

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/03/2014 16:01

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TheGirlFromIpanema · 26/03/2014 15:58

Unlinked you called the OP a special snowflake when the rest of the BCR were still here Hmm

They seem to have fucked off now so its ok (whispers) for you to concede that there may be sexist shite on their forum that you haven't noticed before.

But then again

As others have said, many bikers they've met are friendly and welcoming. That said, the bikers I know are pretty outspoken and you know what? I'd rather be outspoken any day than be hypocritical and be two faced

maybe not Confused

Pantah630 · 26/03/2014 15:57

I'm a woman, who works in a male dominated industry, yet have rarely experienced the misogyny that I know abounds. Very rarely do I get this attitude, and to be brutally honest, when I do encounter it, it's from men, and women, that know nothing about bikes and are a world away from ever knowing. There are lots of women riding these days, it's no longer unusual, and dare I say it, the time for women's bike clubs is probably over. I'm still in WIMA as I enjoy the friends I've made, it's inclusive, my DH and DSs were welcomed as well. I've made friends for life, from all walks of life as well.

Whenever I read FWR, rarely now to be honest, it may have changed for the better and be full of daisies and ginger beer, it turned into a bunfight and not in a good way. Anyone who might not agree with misogyny in every corner was shot down. I hope that's changed but have chosen, as is my right as a woman, to steer well clear, I was pointed over here as there was a biking question. So, no, it wasn't a pop, just the responses to the invaders were so bad, I dread to think what the deleted comments said. I somehow doubt they're bikers, maybe hobbyist summer riders....the ones that are always in my way once the sun comes out Angry

I've left more FB bike chat forums than I can remember, they always attract arseholes, like most internet,keyboard warrior, forums. Luckily MN isn't invaded quite so often these days but I'm embarrassed that some would do so in the name of bikers. I'm off back to Food&Recipes, where we occassionally fall out over ingredients.

Bifauxnen · 26/03/2014 15:46

...and Hagrid Blush

unlinkedstudent · 26/03/2014 15:45

I clicked one of the links, not them both. If it's on the other link, then I'll happily hold my hand up and say if I think there's misogynistic comments.

But yeah, some of us women did hang out with bikers to improve our sex lives and, perish the thought, weren't interested in long term relationships/live happily evaaaaa after. Granted, it was a plus if they cooked you breakfast in the morning. :)

SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 26/03/2014 15:41

"wimmin don't see big hairy bikers as a shag machine

Did they ever?"

Hell yes! I blame David Essex Grin

TheGirlFromIpanema · 26/03/2014 15:36

Wrong about what yambabe? Confused

YY to everything you have said Buffy. Draining would be the word.

Also, they came here to goad and make fun of OP. That is just plain nasty/trolly. I haven't posted on their site or gone on there to tell them they are wrong.

They are though. Wrong. Very Very wrong Sad

Unlinked I only went on that forum following OP's links and within five minutes could see misogyny and nastiness all over the place. Are you not seeing what you don't want to see perhaps?

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/03/2014 15:36

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unlinkedstudent · 26/03/2014 15:35

And wimmin don't see big hairy bikers as a shag machine? Crikey, how things have changed over the decades. (:

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 26/03/2014 15:31

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