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Moments of power in women's lives...

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Martorana · 17/03/2014 09:05

I am running a serious risk of being deleted for "thread about a thread" but I have been thinking a lot about a situation unfolding elsewhere on this site and I would love other's opinions from a feminist perspective. Basically, the position being held by the vast majority is that the mother should have absolute control over what happens/who holds/sees/ does anything with a new baby for a considerable period post birth. A couple of people even suggest that the father should have no say in any of this for the first 12 weeks. That there is no such thing as unreasonable behaviour in a pregnant/ post partum woman.

This has made me think about the points of power in women's lives. It seems to me that for many women, childbirth and post birth is one of the only times when they are allowed- even expected to put themselves first. In practically all other circumstances, they are expected to appease, to conciliate.

Obviously it's a good thing for women to have power whenever they can- but the complicating factor of this is that it's a power based on hormones and instinct. "They can't help feeling like that- it's the hormones. Let's appease her, she'll be better soon"

A bit like the characterization of any woman who is angry and not conciliatory as pre menstrual.

I am thinking as I write- does any of this make sense? Does anyone have any thoughts?

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Martorana · 17/03/2014 09:44

I don't think that's true- unless the vast majority of heterosexual relationships are dysfunctional.......

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georgesdino · 17/03/2014 09:43

Only in dysfunctional/abusive relationships.

Martorana · 17/03/2014 09:39

I'm not talking about individuals- I'm trying to talk about societal attitudes. Generally in our society women are expected to put other people's needs and wants before their own.

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georgesdino · 17/03/2014 09:39

What does normal service is resumed mean?

Martorana · 17/03/2014 09:36

I don't want to make this about the other thread- I shouldn't have mentioned it. I was just trying to put my thoughts in context.

Yes, power based on hormones is mysogynist- that's rather what I was saying. It's as if women are being allowed to be in control because they are at the mercy of their hormones, and "normal service will be resumed" once they die down. It's like Freudian "hysteria"- women as womb and endocrine system rather than woman as rational being.

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georgesdino · 17/03/2014 09:34

Why do you feel you only put yourself first after babies? Bit of a weird idea I would say most of your life you prioritise yourself (or at least at an equal level to your children, dh) and if anything the only part you definitely dont is when the babies are under 6 months.

I am leaving my baby full time with its dad from 2 weeks as he is the same as me and a parent so it makes no difference which one of you they are with imo.

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 17/03/2014 09:29

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Amrapaali · 17/03/2014 09:29

Power is the wrong word here, I think.

For various reasons- physiology,hormones, pure instinct - a mother MAY be more in tune with her baby. Not always the case. She may make a decision or behave in a manner that instinctively feels is right for her and her child.

A particular woman, for example, may be neurotic, self-doubting, a bit of a waffler, but when she becomes a mother may radically transform into a calm being, completely in control of a situation. Many centuries of honed instincts and biology, maybe, but hardly power in its true sense.

I don't know about the previous thread either, but so far I haven't come across anyone excusing unreasonable behaviour because she is a new mother.

SirChenjin · 17/03/2014 09:24

Does any of this make any sense?

Nope.

scallopsrgreat · 17/03/2014 09:19

'power based on hormones'? That sounds pretty misogynistic? Do you actually believe that is the case?

A women puts her needs (or more usually the babies needs) before a man's and that is considered power? Jeez. Thanks for that.

I agree that women are conditioned to put the needs of others first. Not doing that isn't power though. Unless you are meaning having power over your own life. And that is pretty awful isn't it really when you think about it. Quite a low bar.

Btw I have no idea of the thread you are talking about and whether the woman's behaviour is particularly unreasonable.