Why is it suddenly true that women have 2 types of orgasms now men have proved it?

Ah, I concede that the second name is Emmanuele, not Emmanuelle! Hence he is probably an Italian male, not a French female. I still don't feel outraged though.

Actually BOTH researchers were women. Odile and Emmanuelle. The clue is in the names.

I'm not seeing anything to get upset about here. Theories are proven through experimentation, not through people's individual anecdotes.

Personally I only have one type and have always been very sceptical of the assertion that there are two types, so it's interesting to see this research.

A very small proportion of women do get orgasms from penetrative sex. But it is small. And all the theories are that even then, it is actually from clitoral stimulation.

The vagina itself is actually not that sensitive. Just think about it logically - do you get any pleasure from inserting a tampax? No. Your clitoris on the otherhand is very very sensitive.

My older sister told me when I was about 14 that "it's the biggest lie going that women get orgasms from [penetrative] sex". I believed her and nothing in my own experience has ever proved otherwise

How the hell were men supposed to know that? They've usually left by then.

All orgasms are clitoral. Just the clitoris is a large organ and most of it is inside your body.

Erm...one of the main researchers is a woman. Where does it say that 'men' have now proved it?

The OP presumably saw "medical researchers" and just presumed that meant men.

'Cos that's not sexist at all. Oh no.

Childbirth has mad a massive difference to my sexual awareness, the type of activity I enjoy and the ease of pleasure.

Neither pregnancy or childbirth made me "more aware, physically" of my sexual organs. I had two c-sections and I don't recall anyone having any particular interest in my genitalia, internal or external apart from one check on dilation which I remember was very painful.

None the less in my late 30s/40s I have found that I am much much more easily turned on and have orgasms very quickly where in my 20s I didn't have them at all (my children were born when I was 28 and 29).

I thought older women being at the peak of their sex drive was well known (although thinking about it that makes no sense at all so perhaps an old wives tale).

I've certainly had a few organisms that were quite different. Slow burners as opposed to the usual intense but short high. I've also squirted once or twice (not related though). The other issue that I've experienced is that either I'm getting bigger or dh is getting smaller (or both!)

Can someone explain the edifference?

I mainly have clitoral orgasms The only way ive had vaginal ones is to leave a vibrator in there for a while. A vaginal orgasm doesnt happen for me with a penis Theres just not enough stimulation. And its not that ive become desensitized either. I didnt use a vibe while seeing my ex OM during the four and a half years the affair was going on.
And i only use one now once every couple of months if that.

Never noticed two types- ah well. Quite happy with the one type I do have though.

...or continue to see sex as an activity for men to enjoy and women to endure. A service women provide...which ties in with the punter attitudes I am so keen for the government not to legitimise.

Very envious of you all with 2 different types. I never get anywhere near an orgasm from penetration (be that 'properly', with a penis or from anything else). I have done a lot of prodding, poking myself and had multiple assistants (and am post childbirth) etc. but it's all about the >. for me.

On a similar note, I have had a good few disappointing encounters with men who get incredibly insulted, even angry that their 'techniques' did not work with me. Whether it's a porn thing, an entitlement thing or I've just been unlucky to pick so many selfish men, I don't know but there has been a very strong theme that their inability to satisfy me is my fault...their techniques are the right way and if I don't like then there's no compromise, there must be something wrong with me.

I'm too old to put up with that shit now but I wonder how many girls are going to have disappointing sex lives with partners who get their education from porn/lads mags.

Well I am going to disagree with it. The article does not make a distinction between the external clitoris and external stimulation but uses them interchangeably and claims the root of the clitoris can only be stimulated by vaginal penetration.

That may well be true for the tiny number of women in the study, but it is not true for me. I can stimulate the external part of my clitoris and the internal root of my clitoris and have two totally different kinds of orgasm (or blending of the two) solely from external stimulation, depending on which part of my vulva I touch. I do, not need vaginal stimulation to have an orgasm from my clitoral root, although I can achieve it through penetration since going through childbirth. As the clitoral root is underneath the skin/fat etc of the vulva, you (or at least I) can stimulate it externally or internally in my experience.

I think the accurate terms should then be clitoral head orgasm and clitoral root orgasm, regardless of whether or not an individual woman gets either or both from vaginal or external stimulation. But no doubt my experience of orgasm will be considered untrue because a. there is no scientific study and b. it doesn't validate the whole Freud thing that an orgasm from penetration of the vagina is special, magical and you're missing out without it.

Ah, men.

I changed obstetrician when my allocated one, the head of department no less, explained to me very seriously that "there was no medical evidence that giving birth leaning forward was any better for the woman than laying on her back", so I would have to give birth the way he preferred.

That was just after I had explained to him that I gave birth to DD1 on my back, and later to DD2 on leaning forward, and had found DD2's delivery much, much, much more comfortable, and wanted the same for DC3.

I did get my preferred birth at the end.

IMO pregnancy and childbirth makes you much more aware, physically, of your sexual organs. Plus for most women it's the first time there is a "legitimate" (non-shameful) focus on that part of their body so it stands to reason that after having a baby many women feel more connected to their body and get more pleasure from it.

I had that too. I liked to think that as I now had a very small window of opportunity for actually having sex, Mother Nature was compensating by making very quick and hasty sex a lot more fun.

Changes in your head? yeah right...only a man could say that.

After a gruelling 27 hour back back labour and assisted forceps and ventouse delivery I would say I felt less kindly disposed towards Dtd. But obviously this ordeal made me much less inhibited.

What a load of tosh!

I'm another one who had things shift about after having children. Having discussed it with friends, it seems very common. I once mentioned it to a male doctor and he suggested that the change was "in my head" and that I had become "less inhibited" through the process of pregnancy and childbirth

Way to dismiss a woman's actual real physical lived experience doc...

I never had "inside" orgasms until I had children either. Something definitely changed after the birth of first dc.

Without reading the article, I thought you were going to say they discovered 2 types of orgasms; real and fake.

Upcoming research-which is which?

Loving the deployment of creepy wee brackets to represent the clit!

Also

I'm sure there was a study of anatomy and nerves n stuff which said that while the clitoris was a bit just there >.... The nerves extended all over the shop.

Also, I never noticed an "insidey bit" AKA g spot, until after I had children. Although neither were vaginal births, my body has changed, with pregnancy and hormones and stuff I guess. Now there is a sort of difference in the skin (DH spotted it and I confirmed like oh blimey that;s new and odd and fun) that, really, wasn't there before.

Is it possible that women's sexuality and sexual responses are fairly complex and changing through time and experience and hormones and stuff?

Hmmm. Well that seems unlikely. I think Freud was right. Penis sex = good. anything else = rubbish. Thanks Freud!

'Cos obviously for a proper grown-up woman's orgasm you need to be properly fucked with a penis '
Like this ^ .

Just wish I'd heard that in my late teens/twenties.