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Sports activity for women - Burlesque?!

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Hawkmoth · 08/03/2014 12:07

This has really pissed me off.

Lets get women into sport by er... Getting them to discover their "sultry side" and pander to porn-led notions of attractiveness. I'm so annoyed.

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HoneyDragon · 08/03/2014 22:26

Yes, classy stripping is removing underwear in a martini glass.

Unclassy stripping is removing a polo neck, skinny jeans and pop socks whilst trying not fall in the wardrobe.

Ones probably more of a feminist issue than the other.

NiceTabard · 08/03/2014 19:33

Burlesque dancing is classy stripping isn't it?

Have I got that right? Dita Von Teese is probably the most famous burlesque dancer I think, with her performance in a huge martini glass?

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Hawkmoth · 08/03/2014 18:59

For me, the problem is that this whole initiative purports to be enabling women to be fitter and more active, yet includes this, which is traditionally representative of the unequal sexuality-norms of society.

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Hawkmoth · 08/03/2014 18:50

It says, "Why Should I? Bring out your sultry side, boost your self confidence and learn a new skill"

And fuck off it all being in my head!

Sport England is publicly funded also.

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HerrenaHarridan · 08/03/2014 18:39

Wow I got about 10 posts in and thought "wow I'm finally getting to see feminism that reflects me on here'

Then nope same old story

Fwiw
I love burlesque and my bedroom only shoes,
I love my corsets and my hairy legs, I love a woman and I am one

Go figure

ChocolateSnowflakes · 08/03/2014 18:32

If it is voluntarily, there is no issue. Is it because it wouldn't be ideal for you?

pinkyredrose · 08/03/2014 18:32

Men do do burlesque. Not as many but there's quite a few events and shows featuring male performers. A lot of men pole dance too.

Goblinchild · 08/03/2014 18:03

Apparently 50% of adults under 24 are currently unemployed, and would be delighted to take a minimum wage job. I hav two in my house, do you think DS could become a Burlesque dancer?

ChocolateSnowflakes · 08/03/2014 18:01

Yes Julia, because I was specifically talking about you Hmm. Who says you don't choose to celebrate your sexuality? Who cares if you do or you don't? You obviously don't choose to go to burlesque classes, so what? Some people do.

BeerTricksPotter · 08/03/2014 18:00

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JuliaScurr · 08/03/2014 18:00

you as a worker can voluntarily work for less
an employer can not make you

EatShitDerek · 08/03/2014 17:59

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ChocolateSnowflakes · 08/03/2014 17:57

Julia working for less than minimum wage wouldn't usually be a choice though. It's when the choice is taken away that it becomes an issue.

JuliaScurr · 08/03/2014 17:57

oh, that's why, then, because I am frigid/puritanical/moralistic/prudish/lesbian/manhater
and never celebrate my sexuality ever
because it is dirty

BeerTricksPotter · 08/03/2014 17:57

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ChocolateSnowflakes · 08/03/2014 17:55

BeerTricks have you ever seen a pole dancing class? The ones that I have been to are far less sexual than you suggest. Do you know how much physical strength pole dancing requires?

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HoneyDragon · 08/03/2014 17:54

I think pole dancing is becoming a little different. Pole fitness as an industry has been really interesting to watch and I must admit I am seeing a great deal of positivity in it, and there is a slow but increasing amount of men showing interest in it as a sport.

Not too comfortable with burlesque. Certainly round here the marketing focuses on surprising your partner or the old "empowerment" speil for singles.

JuliaScurr · 08/03/2014 17:53

work for less than minimum wage? don't like it, don't do it. The fact that some choose to do it could not possibly make it more difficult for others to choose not to. Hmm

ChocolateSnowflakes · 08/03/2014 17:53

if it's such great exercise why aren't men doing it? This is the first point on this thread that has actually made me sit back and think. I still don't see the issue with someone choosing to go to a burlesque class, and still think feminism is about choice, but Julia's point is valid. I suppose it's to do with men not wanting to celebrate their sexuality in the way that many women do? I like the fact that I can choose to be sexual and celebrate that. Some women don't. Most men don't even consider themselves as sexual beings unless they are thinking about sex as a verb.

BeerTricksPotter · 08/03/2014 17:48

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JuliaScurr · 08/03/2014 17:47

if it's such great exercise why aren't men doing it?

feminism isn't about choice, it's about fighting systematic oppression. Like socialism

Goblinchild · 08/03/2014 17:43

'If it's such great exercise why don't you see anyone incorporating it into their running schedule, using handy lamposts along the way?'

DD has two friends that are serious parkour enthusiasts. They incorporate lamposts and all sorts into their fitness workouts, but not whilst wearing tassels and glitter.

EatShitDerek · 08/03/2014 17:43

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