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Systems that could only have been designed by a non feminist?

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itshardthinkingofanickname · 21/02/2014 11:40

Thinkng about the AIBU thread where the system got confused because the OP was a Mrs but had kept her surname - so it kept asking for her maiden name.

Which systems out there must have been designed by a non feminist? I was going to say male but I think that would have been a bit sexist?

Have you noticed that when you have a drop down menu - it's predominantly Mr that comes first. Then all the female titles?

Little things, I know. I'm sure you can find some bigger things where the system is just not designed to cope with women.

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whatdoesittake48 · 25/02/2014 15:15

my surname is double barrelled - only without a hyphen (ie my "maiden" name followed by my married name with a gap)

Was on the Next website last night making an order and it would not allow me to put in my full two-part surname. it told me I needed a "valid surname" so I had to put in a hyphen...

Quangle · 25/02/2014 09:51

bus design. Why is there only one space for a buggy/wheelchair resulting in the weird baby/disabled person faceoff? Or weird situation where second woman with a buggy wants to get on a bus and there already is a buggy on the bus and bus driver treats second woman as if she's asking for her own personal sedan chair. Why don't the wheelchairs or buggies have loads of space - created by lots of flipdown seats. So if a mum with a buggy and a wheelchair user get on at the same time, an able bodied man stands up to accommodate them. It's all designed as if able bodied people without children are the default and everyone else is an oddity.

I find this totally weird. This obviously is the same if viewed from the perspective of a disabled person - a disabled person and a mum with a buggy and a toddler and some shopping are not other - they are the core users just like everyone else. But the provision is secondary. The threads on this on MN make my heart sink as well - no one else is noticing this and worrying about this and getting annoyed about this because they are all provided for. This issue does not feature on men's boards. It's women with children and disabled people.

ballsballsballs · 24/02/2014 20:29

Only a non-feminist would make sure that, on joint accounts and bills, the man's name always goes first. Very annoying.

OneHolyCow · 24/02/2014 18:15

Science is for men, stuff that women do isn't science... like cooking, healing, repairing, sewing... all that is not science. It's only science if it's done by a man, but then it's cuisine, medicine etc.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 24/02/2014 18:12

Shouldn't the person who knows the recipient best be writing the card anyway? Grin

If I write the card, I put me first.

PenguinsEatSpinach · 24/02/2014 16:25

Yes, toilets.

Men's and women's the same size, despite the fact that urinals take up less room and that all small children seem to end up going with the mother. Never enough space for the sani bin. Enormous queues because you actually need more women's toilets because it takes longer to use a cubicle than a urinal.

Lio · 24/02/2014 16:13

Happy to report that on the enquiry form I've just filled in for the Department of Education, the options for your title go:

Miss
Mr
Mrs
Ms

i.e. alphabetical order

Then on to the less common ones, also in alphabetical order, Ambassador, Archbishop etc.

HippieInASecondLocation · 24/02/2014 11:04

Banks seem to be fine - it's just insurance I've struck this with. Apparently (what I was told anyway, might not be true) it's an international protocol in insurance that person 1 = male, if there is a male.
I do the same as you with cards. The person I know best is first.

OddBoots · 24/02/2014 10:57

HippieInASecondLocation - that's really short sighted of them. I have a joint account with dh at Nationwide and their paperwork comes though as 'Mrs A and Mr N Surname' (we share a surname) - I didn't have to ask for that, it is just as I was 'person 1' on the form my name comes first.

I make a point when sending Christmas cards of putting the person who is more closely related (for family) or who we knew first/best (for friends) first when writing names (if we've always known them as a couple I do either).

HippieInASecondLocation · 24/02/2014 10:51

Insurance. I deal with every aspect of our dealings with our insurance company. I am the only one they deal with re our joint policies. But the mail comes in his name. When I queried this they said it is common insurance practice that the man's name comes first, and they only address postal correspondence to one person. My request that my name be first could not be accommodated. I asked what would happen if we were two women or, shock horror, I was single. In that case, their system apparently could cope with sending correspondence to a woman. But not if there is a man present in the household apparently.

Middleagedmotheroftwo · 24/02/2014 10:41

"Dear Sir or Madam". Why not "Dear Madam or Sir"?

MrsTittleMouse · 24/02/2014 10:22

Public spaces generally - they must be designed by able-bodied men, because they are very difficult to navigate if you're pregnant, have small children, are disabled or elderly. So not enough public loos (massive issue IMO), not enough benches , and difficult to get a wheelchair or pushchair around.

I found it very difficult to get around when I was pregnant, and avoided going out because I knew that it was likely that I would become very faint or need the loo quickly. I look forward to being similarly stuck inside when I'm elderly. Sad

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 24/02/2014 09:18

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TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 22/02/2014 21:31

I type (s)he when I can!

RufusTheReindeer · 22/02/2014 21:28

Agree completely with thedoctrine

Another is on things like school application forms for children,

Why is it always fathers details first, the odds are incredibly good (wrongly) that a women is filling the form out, will be the first point of contact for the school etc

munkysea · 22/02/2014 17:32

We need pop urinals because generally it's not women who piss in shop doors, although I do agree that it's inherently sexist. removes trollcap

I noticed that at my gym all the exercise machines had their displays angled for someone who was at least 5'10".

The use of 'he' as a default in legal drafting. I understand the logic (you should always use the singular, drafting 'he or she' every time would be time consuming and a legal nightmare if you once in a 500-page document forgot to type 'or she', he is one letter less, so saves space (although how much is up for debate)). My feminist heart dies every time I see it. :(

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 22/02/2014 00:31

Tiny cubicles where it's impossinle to open the dour, get round the door ands sit down whilst holding something because no one could be arsed to design the Sani bin into the space and shoved it in afterwards.

PinkandPoo · 21/02/2014 21:44

Public toilets.

Have you noticed that whenever you go to the loos in a public place (ie. leisure centre, restaurant, service station etc) they ALWAYS put the men's loos closest, and the women's further away?

Quangle · 21/02/2014 20:26

dropdown option that is male/female. Male always comes first despite everything.

As for anything else, well, all other systems anywhere. Women are an afterthought in every aspect of society from the banal but important - eg provision of toilets (and btw I was v annoyed to see one of those pop-up urinals outside Paddington Station the other day - no provision for women obv) - to the all encompassing (religion, politics). I actually can't think of a system that was designed around women first - even obstetrics is dominated by men (drs and hospital managers) with babies as the second priority and women third on the list.

itshardthinkingofanickname · 21/02/2014 20:14

The statues of course celebrate the dead white dudes which were are in the National Curriculum which celebrates the history of wars which dead white men fought.

Whilst ignoring half the population.

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scallopsrgreat · 21/02/2014 20:00

IT - so much jargon and cliquiness (sp) therein.

Ballsballsballs · 21/02/2014 16:43

Statues. Celebrating the achievements of more dead white dudes.

2whippetsnobed · 21/02/2014 16:25

Slug speaks the truth!

BuffytheReasonableFeminist · 21/02/2014 16:24

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slug · 21/02/2014 16:16

Exams. The person who thought of 3 hour exams obviously never had a period.