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Feeling conflicted about (childless) man's feminist views on mothering

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NomNomNom · 31/01/2014 22:33

Hi,

I think this is one of my first forays into the feminist section, although I've been lurking. I was hoping to get your balanced and reasonable views on this.

Basically, I don't know what to think about this - my personal pissed-offness is clashing with my political views, I think.

I have this colleague who is in his mid-20s (I'm slightly older), childless, very well-educated, very right-on, yet he seems inexperienced in real-life matters. I don't like him for various reasons that are not really relevant. Mostly that he expresses vaguely political views when it helps him impress people in positions of power at work, but doesn't really know a lot about the actual issues and seems to put it on a bit.

Today he posted a video on Facebook of a kind of spoken-word performance by a young female poet/stand-up that was all about the physical changes motherhood brings and how women are great, strong etc for what they go through during pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding. It was a great poem, I really like it, and it expresses many things I think as well.

But somehow I'm really pissed off that this guy has posted it. He has nothing to do with children. He'll never go through those experiences himself. I often think he jumps on political bandwagons, so I don't know if my discomfort is to do with that.

I think if a dad had posted the video, I would have thought how lucky his partner is.

But somehow, a childless (privileged) guy doing it makes me angry. I've always been a feminist, but only found feminist approaches to mothering and the whole mothering/motherhood distinction a little while after my daughter was born. Reading blogs about feminist mothering, Adrienne Rich etc. really helped me to make sense of my situation and feelings, some of it was so eye-opening and just amazing. I really like how other mothers seem to experience the same issues as me and then write about it in a thoughtful and concise way, taking apart the challenges - it seems like a kind of almost intimate community of mothers (that sounds completely wanky and essentialist, I know!). I don't know how to explain it. So somehow, I just get the sense that this guy I know is 'doing' feminism in an almost consumerist way, putting it on - because feminist views on mothering have nothing to do with his life, so why is he posting about that?

I have to admit that I occasionally feel slightly conflicted about aspects of my feminism - e.g. the whole question of whether men can be feminists (though I read a great explanation regarding how one can perceive feminism as either shared political aims or shared experience). I'm still on the fence when it comes to those 2 views, but I suppose for me feminist approaches to motherhood are rooted in shared experience, and this guy does not share it, so he should butt out.

But on the other hand, more men should admire women for the strength involved in making a person and nurturing them, so… I just don't know!!

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AuntieStella · 31/01/2014 23:03

I wish more people would post insightful, thoughtful links, not fewer.

And I don't think the biological detail of where their gonads are located or if they have used then to their full potential is a barrier to doing that.

WidowWadman · 31/01/2014 23:01

I'd rather have people being interested in feminist issues no matter whether leaky boobs currently affect them directly or not.

The more people interested in feminism, the better. And yeah, just posting about it isn't much, but it still spreads the word for more to see, doesn't it?

So the guy posted something you agree with, and that touched you, and it annoys you because you don't like him?

Would you rather he posted some misogynist or sexist stuff, so you can feel justified in your dislike?

FWIW, feminist issues affect everyone, no matter what their sexual orientation, relationship status and if they have children or not. People can be privileged and not directly negatively affected, but still care. Why shouldn't they?

Should only refugees post about refugee matters? Are white people allowed an opinion about racism? Should only gay people have strong feelings about gay rights? Why? And why should feminist issues be any different?

AnyFucker · 31/01/2014 22:58

youth

Casmama · 31/01/2014 22:58

If you can see it then no doubt others can too so the right on politically correct stuff will come across as disingenuous and people pleasing.

AnyFucker · 31/01/2014 22:58

ashtrayheart said quite clearly that op was "overthinking"

OP, in my yout, blokes like this used to spout stuff they thought women like to get a shag

y'know, the sensitive guy, but you knew it was bullshit and he would still finger you behind the bike sheds and call you a slag to his mates

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 31/01/2014 22:54

I don't think anyone said you were overthinking - your assessment of him seems pretty accurate.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 31/01/2014 22:53

I don't think anyone said you were overthinking.

NomNomNom · 31/01/2014 22:47

No, of course being child free doesn't mean he can't have an opinion, but surely leaky boobs etc are slightly irrelevant for him at them moment.

You're right, I just don't like him.

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NomNomNom · 31/01/2014 22:46

Yes, of course I can unfollow his posts, and of course I am over thinking this. But I thought this was an appropriate section for thinking slightly beyond the trite stuff.

Loving the feminist cookies. I would post a link to the photos in response to his post if I didn't think that would have repercussions at work.

I'm not convinced he actually has the sentiments expressed in the poem though, it seems more like 'oh, here's another branch of feminism - quick, let's make people aware I'm so politically correct I'm even into quirky non-mainstream feminism'.

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gigglestar · 31/01/2014 22:41

Being childfree doesn't bar you from having an opinion on parenthood/motherhood.

Seems like you just don't like him! Grin

ashtrayheart · 31/01/2014 22:40

Don't have him on your fb if he winds you up that much. He's probably trying a little too hard but you liked the sentiment just not who posted it. I think you are overthinking this.

AnyFucker · 31/01/2014 22:38

Well, I would think he just wants a cookie doesn't he ?

if it doesn't ring true as authentic, then of course it isn't

WidowWadman · 31/01/2014 22:38

Sorry, don't follow. I think you don't need to have children of your own to have views on motherhood/parenthood. Yes, it's not unlikely that views/emotions change with experience, but I think you should cut the guy some slack.

He may not have children of his own, but he is someone's child, isn't that enough to form an opinion?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 31/01/2014 22:37

Peace of mind. Aargh!!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 31/01/2014 22:36

OK, I can see why this guy is pissing you off - but better he has some awareness than none?

For my personal piece of mind, I'm only friends on Facebook with people I actually like... if politically I can't unfriend someone who posts annoying things, I unfollow their posts so they don't appear in my feed.

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