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FFS, do we have to start with the gender stereotyping crap so early?!

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TheBookofRuth · 28/01/2014 10:18

Warning: this is more of a long, rambling rant than anything else.

DD has just turned two and we had a birthday party for her. A female relative - someone who I regard as a strong independent type and didn't expect this from - started talking afterwards about how lovely it was to see all the little boys getting stuck in and having a go at everything and showing no fear, and how different they were from the little girls.

I wondered if she'd been at the same party as me, because what I saw was just as many girls getting "stuck in" as boys, and the two shyest, most withdrawn guests were both boys. I mentioned them to her, and she waved it off with "oh yes, but on the whole..."

Similar conversation with MIL recently, who was talking about her little great nephew (only just over one) being "SUCH a boy, he just stomps about getting into everything." At the exact moment she's saying this, her two GDs (my DD and SIL's) are "stomping about getting into everything".

I don't restrict the toys DD has on grounds of gender, so she has dolls and cars and everything in between. Her favourites at the moment are trains and duplo and anything she can paint and draw with. At the party I mentioned something about her playing with a truck and another mum raised an eyebrow and said she was surprised I let her play with trucks. Why?! I'm fairly sure it won't make her grow testicles!

Another mother gave her a present of long haired winged unicorns in various shades of pink. Kind of her to give her a present at all of course, but it couldn't be girlier if I dipped it in glitter. I know people claim that all little girls go through a pink and girly stage regardless of what their parents do, but this kind of stuff can't help, surely?

And now I'm feeling annoyed at myself for being disparaging about "girliness", because I get annoyed IRL when people look down on traditionally female pursuits and occupations as somehow lesser. I'm a SAHM and get enough of that myself, with people demanding to know when I'm going to "get back to work" and "get a real job", as if there's no value at all in my simply being a mum to my DD.

But why, why do people do this? We have these amazing little people with their own incredible developing personalities which are all so different, and from birth we try to force into them into these pigeonholes and make them to conform to stereotypes of "girly girls" and "proper boys". It's so sad.

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Daykin · 28/01/2014 16:58

I try to buy neutral things when I don't know the child - books and crayons and so on.

I'm a bit of a re-gifter Blush so in reality a lot of stuff is grabbed thoughtlessly from the crap cupboard.

TheSmallClanger · 28/01/2014 12:36

I actually heard someone a while back talking about a few-weeks-old BABY, about how it was good that her mum was putting her in dresses and headbands, "so she gets to know she's a girl". I wanted to challenge it, but the situation wasn't appropriate, and I was too busy trying not to vomit.

TheBookofRuth · 28/01/2014 11:46

I try to buy neutral things when I don't know the child - books and crayons and so on.

A few months ago I was walking through the park with DD and saw another mother telling off her toddler daughter for playing with sticks because "you're not a boy!" Hmm

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Daykin · 28/01/2014 11:40

I'm sometimes guilty of buying stereotypical toys unless I know the child well enough to know what they want. I worry that if I give dinosaurs to a girl or a doll to a boy then people will think I've thoughtless grabbed something from my crap cupboard on the way out of the door.

I don't think lego friends is crap, dd1 plays for hours with hers, building all kinds of shit. I hate lego city.

I know what you mean about the 'typical boy' thing. A friend of mine is always saying that her dd 'should have been a boy' if she does anything vaguely physical like sit on a fence or kick a stone. It's odd.

TheBookofRuth · 28/01/2014 11:28

DD got a Lego pirate ship from us for her birthday. She is particularly fond of firing the cannon. Grin

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elportodelgato · 28/01/2014 11:25

We noticed this at Xmas when people asked for present ideas for our 2 DDs.

I would say: they're really into pirates and dinosaurs and they would love some new lego, oh and DD1 has asked for a unicorn toy.

The response: Oh! A unicorn, I'll get her that then!

It's like people actually don't HEAR me saying pirates, dinosaurs, lego etc and the latch onto the first 'girlie' thing they hear instead. We did get some lego but it was that excreble 'Friends' crap Angry so I sent it back and swopped it for some normal lego that you can actually build shit with Smile

PleaseJustLeaveYourBrotherAlon · 28/01/2014 11:19

It's interesting that every little girl goes through a pink phase..and every little boy goes through a truck/gun phase.

But almost ALWAYS after they have left their parents (assuming the parents keep thing neutral at home) and gone in to nursery.....

Dd and ds have no concept of girls and boys toys. She wears bright colors and batman shirts and is regularly told how strong and funny she is etc.

Put her in a dress... oh how "pretty she is! Proper little girly girl!"

Um she didn't dress herself... she's 2.

ooerrmissus · 28/01/2014 10:25

Agreed. DS1 had a doll when he was little, he got some very odd looks but he didn't care and neither did I. We had a nightmare trying to find a kitchen set that wasn't pink. I was more upset when DS2 aged 6 decided he wasn't going to join the cheerleading club at school because he realised he would be bullied. It's a shame, he would have been brilliant. All my talk of former presidents of the USA being cheerleaders came to nought. Ah well.

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